On 6/29/22 09:55, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 6/28/22 15:01, Richard Brown wrote:
Proving you wrong is somewhat easy
We’ve been here before
The openSUSE regular release died due to lack of contributions
While the numbers of USERS of Leap are very good, the number of CONTRIBUTORS to Leap have not
And that is how we ended up in the spot - if Leap had the contributors to do what you want, we’d have done it during Leap 42 and earlier 15 releases
Leap was initially intended as a codebase which could be shaped by contributions
If the ultimate goal here is to simply nuke Leap to save manhours and just put out SLE in a community version, that has always struct me as somewhat backwards. Prior to the recent openSUSE/SLE realignment, openSUSE served as the lead and bugfix variant of what would settle down and become SLE to ensure paying customers avoided the bugs fixed in openSUSE. And many many community members contributed with QA and bug reports. That has served SuSE well.
And it continues to, tumbleweed is currently serving this purpose for ALP and given the closeness in code these days the Leap beta's do an excellent job of this for SLE service packs if any thing Axels proposals start to take us back away from that.
The aging nature of what comes out in Leap hasn't gone unnoticed. How Leap 15.4 was released with gcc 7.5 (which lacks many five year old C++17 features) was an indication of the problem. Python and other base development packages just makes matters worse.
I don't know what the answer is. 15.4 is a damn fine release despite some package being long-in-the-tooth. The Leap model has server openSUSE well. I'd caution against throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.
With unlimited budget and resources the answer would probably be some form of 3rd distro that sits between tumbleweed and Leap, if you had the base for such a distro I imagine it would be more popular with desktop users while the SLE rebuild would probably better for some other users. Unfortunately we don't have limited releases so the compromise we land with is a solid 15.4 release with some older packages which causes issues for some users and probably benefits others and there'd be a group that don't even notice.
Somehow reasoned minds prevail, and good guidance decisions are made. I have faith that will continue here as well.
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