Basil Chupin
Why not put KDE4 on a separate CD as an *addition* to the DVD? The 11.1 installation process could be modified to check to see which Desktop system a user wants installed and if KDE4 is selected then KDE4 files will be installed after the rest of the main system is installed.
Alternatively, since very few people use Gnome, put Gnome on the CD and have the *full* KDE3 with (crippled) KDE4 on the DVD.
KDE4 is at the centre of this whole debate so *it* should be *"reduced"* and *NOT* KDE3 which is fully functional and stable.
Every media is work to do - and might confuse users. Yes, we could have the following DVD medias: * non-X11 media * GNOME only desktop * KDE3 only desktop * KDE4 only desktop * XFCE only desktop * Server system with GNOME * Server system with KDE3 * ... The work we're doing in the build service will enable everybody to build their own media if anybody is interested. Btw. it's not true that very few people use GNOME - and KDE4 is something others like to have. As Michael mentioned we have a significant number of KDE4 users as well, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform/openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126