Hello, This mail is not intended to launch a flame war, but to make proposals. The first goal of any application is to just work as expected. I mean that at least if installed with YaST and launched from kde it should load. I just tested a lot of multimedia applications that don't even load. I also made this week end at least three 11.4 install, *none* worked as expected. Please don't ask why, I didn't do this at home but on other people hardware I don't have at hand anymore, so I can't help (in other situation, I report bugs on bugzilla). But just for example, on one computer the live dvd (official one) don't work, it starts but clear the screen probably at the moment X launch (goes too fast to be sure), and crash - when openSUSE 11.3 runned on the computer and finally 11.4 did install without visible problem (at first glance). On an other computer, I noticed the grub menu was *not* written (error at the grub menu write stage), on an other, windows 7 was not correctly referenced (this is my computer, (hd0,0) had to be used for the sda2 partition! - yet to be reported). I just want to say that we should change a bit the release agenda. It's pretty evident that nobody can use factory seriously before late in the process. It's also obvious from my experience that nobody used some applications (if somebody did, a non starting application should have been noted). So we need at some moment (1 or 2 months before release) to test *all* the included aplications. We should have a web page (or an entire web site, some OBS side site) with a list of applications, and a tick box where everybody can see if the application have been tested or not and by how many people. We need also to have a better integrated workflow with Packman. No bug should be closed as wontfix or invalid because some packman application is involved, as this mean no multimedia app is concerned by bugzilla. sincerely jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org