On 16/01/2019 17:39, Richard Brown wrote:
I wouldn't remove anything from the SUSE article. I'd remove the Company history/Product History titles. That's all
I did not talk about removing anything from the SUSE article. I talked about _moving_ stuff that you feel is not relevant to the openSUSE article _into_ the SUSE article.
I'm sorry I don't have the time to write everything for you. There are dozens of places that have summaries of Tumbleweed, Leap, and Kubic, such as the openSUSE wiki.
Several people have already said to you, in this thread, that they see no problem with the existing article. If you do see problems, then you will have to identify them.
I'd say since 2013, when active development pretty much halted.
You could say 2014 when it was removed from all openSUSE distributions because it didn't build successfully for over 100 days
I provided links to 2 SUSE sources containing what looks like current info about it. Before asking for changes to Wikipedia, I think it would be more reasonable to remove it from the SUSE wiki pages, or better still, perhaps include some mention that the project is no longer active or supported.
Well, you can mention YaST also, but if your humble opinion is valid for a wikipedia article, then so is the opinion of the Project's chairman and Leap's release manager, and we say that the #1 breakout feature is snapshots/rollback ;)
Is that the royal we? For clarity, *nobody's* opinions belong in any Wikipedia article.
Lets avoid saying which is #1, they're both really cool, the article should provide a fair reflection of both :)
ISTM that you do not properly understand what Wikipedia is, or is for, or is trying to do.
and also I'd like it to mention how SUSE contribute directly to Factory as part of it's formal "Factory First" policy (citation: https://opensource.suse.com/suse-open-source-policy )
Can do but that might get reverted as being advert-like.
Try and say is a matter of fact, rather than a matter of pride?
This goes back to our previous discussion, when you criticized me harshly for not understanding the nature of the relationship between SUSE and openSUSE, and between openSUSE and its community: relationships which were not clearly stated or explained on the openSUSE website. I attempted to get some input on providing such clarification. I even offered to write it. No such input was forthcoming, and my offer was not accepted. This is very similar. If the openSUSE organisation cannot adequately explain this stuff on its own web presence, then the responsibility does not fall on Wikipedia. If you attempted to add it there, then banning you was the appropriate action according to Wikipedia's own rules and policies.
Indeed, but if I state here for the record that it can be argued that your constant belly-aching means you have probably contributed negatively to openSUSE more than you have positively, then maybe the wikimedia gods will look welcomingly on your efforts here today ;)
No, but I would say that you have some way to improve your skills at motivating members of a community to contribute their efforts to it. No smiley. I think my offers of assistance end here, I'm afraid. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org