Hi folks, Did I miss some stands? I could only find Michael Brown's Fen Systems stand. Were SuSE there? Were anyone else there? Perhaps I had my eyes shut - I didn't get round all of it. Cheers -- Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
I'm afraid we weren't there. On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Matt Johnson wrote:
Hi folks,
Did I miss some stands? I could only find Michael Brown's Fen Systems stand. Were SuSE there? Were anyone else there? Perhaps I had my eyes shut - I didn't get round all of it.
Cheers -- Matt
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Roger Whittaker wrote:
I'm afraid we weren't there.
OK - this wasn't very informative, I know. Essentially as Malcolm and others said, getting a decent stand at BETT is very expensive. We have less funds for promotional activities than we used to - at the same time I personally have even less time for `educational' activities than before. Add to that the fact that the person from the office who would have helped me man the stand was on annual leave. We could probably have been there by borrowing space from a `sugar daddy', but I didn't do the necessary begging and grovelling in time. I very much missed the fact that we weren't there and that I didn't see some of you. On the positive side, there are various things going on behind the scenes that I can't tell you about just now relating to Linux in government and education which I hope will bear real fruit soon. I suspect Malcolm has similar stories to tell (or not) on behalf of Red Hat. All the best Roger -- ------------------- Roger Whittaker SuSE Linux Ltd The Kinetic Centre Theobald Street Borehamwood Herts WD6 4PJ ------------------ 020 8387 1482 ------------------ roger@suse.co.uk ------------------
Did I miss some stands? I could only find Michael Brown's Fen Systems stand. Were SuSE there? Were anyone else there? Perhaps I had my eyes shut - I didn't get round all of it.
I got round most of it, and was upset - there was less Linux than last year. Only Michael really. The man at the IBM stand had heard of Suse but wasn't sure about it. There was one Cobalt Qube, and there was NetBSD on the Precedence stand, and of course a few other stands (such as Atomwide) were powered by OSS servers. It is unfortunately very expensive to lay on a BETT stand, but it is really the premier UK education event. I was approached by many software sellers, most of whom were bemused when I asked them for a KDE version. One salesman selling software based on IIS/ASP had never heard of Apache and clearly didn't believe me when I said it powered more web sites than IIS, because he knew that Microsoft had 90% of the market. I think we need to rally behind Michael, Ian and Roger for next year. There needs to be a bigger presence, with more oomf - in particular, with an expensive line so external sites can be demonstrated. In this respect I think a few wireless portables could be extremely useful. I was carrying a Nokia 9210 and was able to demonstrate my site while on other people's stands - very useful indeed on two occasions. With two stands cleverly located we might cover a good 50% of the area, and the battle can be carried into the opposition's territory. Like looking up, live, the statistics for Apache vs IIS servers. But where are the funds and man^H^H^Hpersonpower going to come from? -- Christopher Dawkins, Felsted School, Dunmow, Essex CM6 3JG 01371-822698/821076 or 07798 636725 cchd@felsted.essex.sch.uk
BETT had two out-and-out Linux/Open Source companies, Fen and Look Systems, who booked late and didn;t make the brochure. Sorry i didn;t a get chance to talk to Michael Brown, but heard good reports etc, well done Michael. BETT is v. expensive and difficult to justify for Red Hat (as Suse) without a partner (is that sugar daddy) to pay for the stand. However, you have take their line (IBM,Dell etc), but so did Toshiba on the Microsoft stand. Following on from Ian's comments, some form of 'open source village' with Red Hat, Suse, (IBM), etc along with the key developers like Fen Systems, Look, ComputerPark, Ateb, Optimus would be the way forward. It would need the support of the hardware companies,and also the show organisers, EMAP, BESA etc. They would be leant on by RM and Microsoft not to draw attention to it my making it a unified area. However there would be great press and community support. Red Hat (ie me) will be at the NAACE conference in Torquay between 5-8th Feb, a far better networking event which also has some exhibition space for 1 day (i think). This is a key event for LEA IT Advisors, DfES, Becta and the like. if anybody wants to put something into this let me know asap and i'll see if i can get Dell (or someone) to fund some of it. thoughts on BETT 2003 and NAACE 2002 asap. also, i can also recount the story of my meeting with David Burroughs (Head of Education for M$ UK), very brief as i had a train to catch, nice guy, but i didn't know what to say to him :-) Malcolm On Fri, 2002-01-11 at 22:42, Christopher Dawkins wrote:
Did I miss some stands? I could only find Michael Brown's Fen Systems stand. Were SuSE there? Were anyone else there? Perhaps I had my eyes shut - I didn't get round all of it.
I got round most of it, and was upset - there was less Linux than last year. Only Michael really. The man at the IBM stand had heard of Suse but wasn't sure about it. There was one Cobalt Qube, and there was NetBSD on the Precedence stand, and of course a few other stands (such as Atomwide) were powered by OSS servers.
It is unfortunately very expensive to lay on a BETT stand, but it is really the premier UK education event. I was approached by many software sellers, most of whom were bemused when I asked them for a KDE version. One salesman selling software based on IIS/ASP had never heard of Apache and clearly didn't believe me when I said it powered more web sites than IIS, because he knew that Microsoft had 90% of the market.
I think we need to rally behind Michael, Ian and Roger for next year. There needs to be a bigger presence, with more oomf - in particular, with an expensive line so external sites can be demonstrated. In this respect I think a few wireless portables could be extremely useful. I was carrying a Nokia 9210 and was able to demonstrate my site while on other people's stands - very useful indeed on two occasions. With two stands cleverly located we might cover a good 50% of the area, and the battle can be carried into the opposition's territory. Like looking up, live, the statistics for Apache vs IIS servers.
But where are the funds and man^H^H^Hpersonpower going to come from?
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On Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 12:15:51AM +0000, Malcolm Herbert wrote:
BETT had two out-and-out Linux/Open Source companies, Fen and Look Systems, who booked late and didn;t make the brochure. Sorry i didn;t a get chance to talk to Michael Brown, but heard good reports etc, well done Michael.
BETT is v. expensive and difficult to justify for Red Hat (as Suse) without a partner (is that sugar daddy) to pay for the stand. However, you have take their line (IBM,Dell etc), but so did Toshiba on the Microsoft stand.
Following on from Ian's comments, some form of 'open source village' with Red Hat, Suse, (IBM), etc along with the key developers like Fen Systems, Look, ComputerPark, Ateb, Optimus would be the way forward. It would need the support of the hardware companies,and also the show organisers, EMAP, BESA etc. They would be leant on by RM and Microsoft not to draw attention to it my making it a unified area.
That sounds like an excellent idea. As you say a few developers should show up too. Having a wild stab in the dark ;), I guess most of the BETT stands would be inhabited by sales droids & if I was looking to buy, or investigating what's an offer, I'd far prefer to talk to somebody at the coal face who actually understands software then somebody flogging a webserver who's never even heard of Apache. Ditto it would help if people like Chris who make extensive use of oss in schools also turned up.
However there would be great press and community support. Red Hat (ie me) will be at the NAACE conference in Torquay between 5-8th Feb, a far better networking event which also has some exhibition space for 1 day (i think). This is a key event for LEA IT Advisors, DfES, Becta and the like. if anybody wants to put something into this let me know asap and i'll see if i can get Dell (or someone) to fund some of it.
Even if they just funded beer & sandwiches it would encourage people to show up & do their reputation no harm.
thoughts on BETT 2003 and NAACE 2002 asap.
also, i can also recount the story of my meeting with David Burroughs (Head of Education for M$ UK), very brief as i had a train to catch, nice guy, but i didn't know what to say to him :-)
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BETT had two out-and-out Linux/Open Source companies, Fen and Look Systems, who booked late and didn;t make the brochure. Sorry i didn;t a get chance to talk to Michael Brown, but heard good reports etc, well done Michael.
It appears to be more a case of the plans on the website and in the brochure being out of date. Since Fen Systems were definitly in the index. Michael (and Dan) appeared to have been kept very busy.
Following on from Ian's comments, some form of 'open source village' with Red Hat, Suse, (IBM), etc along with the key developers like Fen Systems, Look, ComputerPark, Ateb, Optimus would be the way forward. It would need the support of the hardware companies,and also the show organisers, EMAP, BESA etc. They would be leant on by RM and Microsoft not to draw attention to it my making it a unified area.
But pefectly ok to draw attention of RM and Microsoft through having huge stands in the centre of the hall :)
However there would be great press and community support. Red Hat (ie me) will be at the NAACE conference in Torquay between 5-8th Feb, a far better networking event which also has some exhibition space for 1 day (i think). This is a key event for LEA IT Advisors, DfES, Becta and the
IMHO you need something which demonstrates educational usage, possibly even some non I(C)T type subjects. Such as modern languages, history, geography, RE, etc. Possibly even some sort of SEN type stuff. Also very nice would be to have things like Linux interactive whiteboards or even the SWGLF website (which was designed only to work with MSIE). But these might be a little too optimistic.
like. if anybody wants to put something into this let me know asap and i'll see if i can get Dell (or someone) to fund some of it.
thoughts on BETT 2003 and NAACE 2002 asap.
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