RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse and Winbind

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Chris Puttick

11 May 2003 11 May '03

20:17

First, my condolences to yourself and your ysgol on the RM situation. Second, if you want to reincarnate the older machines, try playing with thin client, it's more productive in reducing school costs and so much more fun! Third, mount <your RM server>\ to /home/<username>/mywork - I'd probably investigate doing this with smbmount and smbauth. As a matter of interest, how much does it cost the school to keep up with RM? -----Original Message----- From: Gareth Edmondson To: Rob Keeling; SuSE Linux UK Schools Sent: 5/11/03 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse and Winbind Hi Rob, Thanks for getting back to me.

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Define console? If you mean a bash shell then yes. By console, I meant Workstation. I have installed SuSE 8.1 with a KDE desktop (running Mozilla for Web, Open Office for productivity).

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Hi,

Has anyone out there successfully got SuSE working with WinBind so

The reason for doing this is to reincarnate some of our older machines (plus I enjoy fiddling). The school is running RM Connect 2.4 (soon to be 3). That is the reason I want the usernames and passwords to come from the NT domain. On Connect, each user has a work space called MyWork. This is held on the server's D drive, but gets mapped to a users N drive. D:\Users\Y98\Y98SmithJ becomes N:\MyWork when JSmith logs in. Any advice..? Regards Gareth --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Are you still wasting your time with spam?... There is a solution!" Protected by GIANT Company's Spam Inspector The most powerful anti-spam software available. http://www.giantcompany.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Keeling" To: "SuSE Linux UK Schools" Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 6:36 PM Subject: Fw: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse and Winbind that

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users can log on to a SuSE console with their NT/Win2K username and password?

Define console? If you mean a bash shell then yes.

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Once this is done, how easy is it then to map a work drive from the NT domain to a SuSE drive?

With a fiddle factor I have managed to set up suse 8.1 to join a NT domain, allow the Domain users to log on with their home directory mounted from an NT server.

I haven`t managed the same trick with X windows yet, but hopefully someone is going to point out the glaring error tomorrow.

Let me know what your trying to acheve.

Rob Keeling Network Manager Queen Elizabeth`s Grammar School

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Your help is appreciated,

Many thanks

Gareth Edmondson ICT Department: Ysgol Gyfun Gwyr 01792 870026

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adrian.wells

12 May 12 May

08:37

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As a matter of interest, how much does it cost the school to keep up with RM?

It costs us, in addition to maint. contracts on the servers (which we would have anyway) and ISP (which we would pay anyway), a little under £200 per machine (one off) for the office licence & the RM licence. Their is a plus side, I insist that we by PC from RM for "compatibility reasons" otherwise I am (was) forced to purchase the cheapest kit going which meant that sometimes I might have as many as 5 machines with the same spec. This is murder from a maint. point of view although I ran batches on the Novell box to load the correct drivers, still not nice! Adrian Wells

Mark Evans

13 May 13 May

07:46

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On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 09:33:43AM +0100, adrian.wells wrote:

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As a matter of interest, how much does it cost the school to keep up with RM?

It costs us, in addition to maint. contracts on the servers (which we would have anyway) and ISP (which we would pay anyway), a little under £200 per machine (one off) for the office licence & the RM licence.

Which is a substantial cost, relative to that of the hardware.

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Their is a plus side, I insist that we by PC from RM for "compatibility reasons" otherwise I am (was) forced to purchase the cheapest kit going which meant that sometimes I might have as many as 5 machines with the same spec. This is murder from a maint. point of view although I ran batches on

What RM never change the specs of machines they supply :)

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the Novell box to load the correct drivers, still not nice!

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Gareth Edmondson

12 May 12 May

19:16

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Hi Chris,

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First, my condolences to yourself and your ysgol on the RM situation. Not sure why Chris. I am sure you have your own opinion, but my experience of RM is good. Okay they are expensive, but it ain't my money. They give excellent service using products that are industry standard. Admittedly they have tools bolted on, but this is to make it easier for non-technical teachers to use. Our network is XP and NT2KServer - nothing wrong with that my friend.

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First, my condolences to yourself and your ysgol on the RM situation.

Second, if you want to reincarnate the older machines, try playing with

I am afraid I cannot tell you how much we pay with RM. That is school information. Best wishes, Gareth Edmondson --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Are you still wasting your time with spam?... There is a solution!" Protected by GIANT Company's Spam Inspector The most powerful anti-spam software available. http://www.giantcompany.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Puttick" To: "'SuSE Linux UK Schools '" Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:16 PM Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse and Winbind thin

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client, it's more productive in reducing school costs and so much more fun!

Third, mount <your RM server>\ to /home/<username>/mywork - I'd probably investigate doing this with smbmount and smbauth.

As a matter of interest, how much does it cost the school to keep up with RM?

-----Original Message----- From: Gareth Edmondson To: Rob Keeling; SuSE Linux UK Schools Sent: 5/11/03 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse and Winbind

Hi Rob,

Thanks for getting back to me.

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Define console? If you mean a bash shell then yes. By console, I meant Workstation. I have installed SuSE 8.1 with a KDE desktop (running Mozilla for Web, Open Office for productivity).

The reason for doing this is to reincarnate some of our older machines (plus I enjoy fiddling). The school is running RM Connect 2.4 (soon to be 3). That is the reason I want the usernames and passwords to come from the NT domain.

On Connect, each user has a work space called MyWork. This is held on the server's D drive, but gets mapped to a users N drive.

D:\Users\Y98\Y98SmithJ becomes N:\MyWork when JSmith logs in.

Any advice..?

Regards

Gareth

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Keeling" To: "SuSE Linux UK Schools" Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 6:36 PM Subject: Fw: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse and Winbind

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Hi,

Has anyone out there successfully got SuSE working with WinBind so that users can log on to a SuSE console with their NT/Win2K username and password?

Define console? If you mean a bash shell then yes.

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Once this is done, how easy is it then to map a work drive from the NT domain to a SuSE drive?

With a fiddle factor I have managed to set up suse 8.1 to join a NT domain, allow the Domain users to log on with their home directory mounted from an NT server.

I haven`t managed the same trick with X windows yet, but hopefully someone is going to point out the glaring error tomorrow.

Let me know what your trying to acheve.

Rob Keeling Network Manager Queen Elizabeth`s Grammar School

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Your help is appreciated,

Many thanks

Gareth Edmondson ICT Department: Ysgol Gyfun Gwyr 01792 870026

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ian

20:24

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On Mon, 2003-05-12 at 20:13, Gareth Edmondson wrote:

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Hi Chris,

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First, my condolences to yourself and your ysgol on the RM situation. Not sure why Chris. I am sure you have your own opinion, but my experience of RM is good. Okay they are expensive, but it ain't my money.

No mate its ours, us tax payers ;-)

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They give excellent service using products that are industry standard. Admittedly they have tools bolted on, but this is to make it easier for non-technical teachers to use. Our network is XP and NT2KServer - nothing wrong with that my friend.

I am afraid I cannot tell you how much we pay with RM. That is school information.

Shouldn't that be public knowledge? After all public accountability and all that with public funds :-) -- ian

Gareth Edmondson

20:29

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Hi Ian,

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No mate its ours, us tax payers

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No mate its ours, us tax payers ;-)

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They give excellent service using products that are industry standard. Admittedly

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have tools bolted on, but this is to make it easier for non-technical teachers to use. Our network is XP and NT2KServer - nothing wrong with

Fair enough. I am still not telling ;-) Gareth "Are you still wasting your time with spam?... There is a solution!" Protected by GIANT Company's Spam Inspector The most powerful anti-spam software available. http://www.giantcompany.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "ian" To: "Gareth Edmondson" Cc: "Chris Puttick" ; "'SuSE Linux UK Schools '" Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse and Winbind they that

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my friend.

I am afraid I cannot tell you how much we pay with RM. That is school information.

Shouldn't that be public knowledge? After all public accountability and all that with public funds :-)

-- ian

Steve Palmer

13 May 13 May

08:03

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I can tell you right now that its a *stupid* amount of
money. We have a ton of 133s that need going, and some
modest celery 400's that just need some ram throwing
in. There are other more powerful units, but we are on
RM 2.4 currently.

To upgrade to 3.0 we would have to *replace* the 400's
as well as RM do not count them good enough for their
fat client setup. A stupid cost to say the least! Also
all our servers would need slinging and replacing with
some rather expensive ones.

Fortunately management saw the light, and we have
since gone with this other company for a pure 2000
network, with the 133's as a terminal clients, the
400s with a lump of ram added, and a couple new
servers to power those terminals & a snap server for
500gbs of a pure storage ^_^

Alot cheaper to say the least, and we can get those
133s done later when Above has the groats! ;)

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2003-05-12 at 20:13, Gareth Edmondson wrote:
> > Hi Chris,
> > 
> > > First, my condolences to yourself and your ysgol
> on the RM situation.
> > Not sure why Chris. I am sure you have your own
> opinion, but my experience
> > of RM is good. Okay they are expensive, but it
> ain't my money.
> 
> No mate its ours, us tax payers ;-)
> 
> > They give
> > excellent service using products that are industry
> standard. Admittedly they
> > have tools bolted on, but this is to make it
> easier for non-technical
> > teachers to use. Our network is XP and NT2KServer
> - nothing wrong with that
> > my friend.
> > 
> > I am afraid I cannot tell you how much we pay with
> RM. That is school
> > information.
> 
> Shouldn't that be public knowledge? After all public
> accountability and
> all that with public funds :-)
> 
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07:47

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How can they give an excellent service when not a single person in the entrire company has any idea of how to solve any of our problems. Thier lack of knowledge is astounding (spelling?). I cant beleive that they have become such a big company when their service is so poor. You cant even go on their web site using anything but Internet Explorer!!!!!!!! They really need to get thei act together! IT IS NOT EASIER. You do it the RM way or not at all. It is an ABSOULTE JOKE!

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Hi Chris,

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First, my condolences to yourself and your ysgol on the RM situation. Not sure why Chris. I am sure you have your own opinion, but my experience of RM is good. Okay they are expensive, but it ain't my money. They give excellent service using products that are industry standard. Admittedly they have tools bolted on, but this is to make it easier for non-technical teachers to use. Our network is XP and NT2KServer - nothing wrong with that my friend.

I am afraid I cannot tell you how much we pay with RM. That is school information.

Best wishes,

Gareth Edmondson

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Puttick" To: "'SuSE Linux UK Schools '" Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:16 PM Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse and Winbind

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First, my condolences to yourself and your ysgol on the RM situation.

Second, if you want to reincarnate the older machines, try playing with thin client, it's more productive in reducing school costs and so much more fun!

Third, mount <your RM server>\ to /home/<username>/mywork - I'd probably investigate doing this with smbmount and smbauth.

As a matter of interest, how much does it cost the school to keep up with RM?

-----Original Message----- From: Gareth Edmondson To: Rob Keeling; SuSE Linux UK Schools Sent: 5/11/03 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse and Winbind

Hi Rob,

Thanks for getting back to me.

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Define console? If you mean a bash shell then yes. By console, I meant Workstation. I have installed SuSE 8.1 with a KDE desktop (running Mozilla for Web, Open Office for productivity).

The reason for doing this is to reincarnate some of our older machines (plus I enjoy fiddling). The school is running RM Connect 2.4 (soon to be 3). That is the reason I want the usernames and passwords to come from the NT domain.

On Connect, each user has a work space called MyWork. This is held on the server's D drive, but gets mapped to a users N drive.

D:\Users\Y98\Y98SmithJ becomes N:\MyWork when JSmith logs in.

Any advice..?

Regards

Gareth

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Keeling" To: "SuSE Linux UK Schools" Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 6:36 PM Subject: Fw: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse and Winbind

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Hi,

Has anyone out there successfully got SuSE working with WinBind so that users can log on to a SuSE console with their NT/Win2K username and password?

Define console? If you mean a bash shell then yes.

...
Once this is done, how easy is it then to map a work drive from the NT domain to a SuSE drive?

With a fiddle factor I have managed to set up suse 8.1 to join a NT domain, allow the Domain users to log on with their home directory mounted from an NT server.

I haven`t managed the same trick with X windows yet, but hopefully someone is going to point out the glaring error tomorrow.

Let me know what your trying to acheve.

Rob Keeling Network Manager Queen Elizabeth`s Grammar School

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Your help is appreciated,

Many thanks

Gareth Edmondson ICT Department: Ysgol Gyfun Gwyr 01792 870026

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Mark Evans

08:22

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On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 08:40:55AM -0000, techies stpauls wrote:

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How can they give an excellent service when not a single person in the entrire company has any idea of how to solve any of our problems. Thier lack of knowledge is astounding (spelling?). I cant beleive that they have become such a big company when their service is so poor. You cant even go on their web site

I wouldn't exactly call RM a big company. Big in education maybe, generally they are absolute nobodys. Though big companies, especially those with a captive customer base, can often offer poor service. Since even if they do lose your custom it's not a huge loss.

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using anything but Internet Explorer!!!!!!!! They really need to get thei act together! IT IS NOT EASIER. You do it the RM way or not at all. It is an ABSOULTE JOKE!

Or (that) they are a faithful Microsoft "partner". -- Mark Evans St. Peter's CofE High School Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 Fax: +44 1392 204763

Steve Palmer

08:44

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My Boss tells me of the days when you could phone them up for an engineer, and get the same one time and time again. Someone who actually knew the workings of your network - imagine that! Nowadays these engineers are a precious commodity so inside you have to make do with flea eating monkeys for common queries... --- techies stpauls wrote:

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How can they give an excellent service when not a single person in the entrire company has any idea of how to solve any of our problems. Thier lack of knowledge is astounding (spelling?). I cant beleive that they have become such a big company when their service is so poor. You cant even go on their web site using anything but Internet Explorer!!!!!!!! They really need to get thei act together! IT IS NOT EASIER. You do it the RM way or not at all. It is an ABSOULTE JOKE!

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ian

14:54

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On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 09:44, Steve Palmer wrote:

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My Boss tells me of the days when you could phone them up for an engineer, and get the same one time and time again. Someone who actually knew the workings of your network - imagine that!

Yeah, but the Link 480Z didn't have that much penetration so the technician could just about cope with it ;-) -- ian

Mark Evans

15:07

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On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 03:55:18PM +0100, ian wrote:

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On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 09:44, Steve Palmer wrote:

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My Boss tells me of the days when you could phone them up for an engineer, and get the same one time and time again. Someone who actually knew the workings of your network - imagine that!

Yeah, but the Link 480Z didn't have that much penetration so the technician could just about cope with it ;-)

But the Z-Net CP/NET was actually fairly clever and innovative. -- Mark Evans St. Peter's CofE High School Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 Fax: +44 1392 204763

MJ Ray

23:17

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ian wrote:

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Yeah, but the Link 480Z didn't have that much penetration so the technician could just about cope with it ;-)

No, they could never fix how we broke the robots program :-/ Can you get that sort of thing for GNU/Linux now? MJR

ian

14 May 14 May

07:31

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On Wed, 2003-05-14 at 00:18, MJ Ray wrote:

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ian wrote:

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Yeah, but the Link 480Z didn't have that much penetration so the technician could just about cope with it ;-)

No, they could never fix how we broke the robots program :-/ Can you get that sort of thing for GNU/Linux now?

MJR

Not aware of any school friendly robotics or data logging stuff for Linux. I have tried persuading one of the specialist suppliers to do Linux versions but they don't think there is the demand. I guess something like Squeak could be adapted, but its time that is lacking as usual. Its rather annoying that the government give schools ecredits to buy software from approved suppliers but put nothing into open source development. -- ian

adrian.wells

13 May 13 May

10:55

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How can they give an excellent service when not a single person in the entrire company has any idea of how to solve any of our problems. Thier lack of knowledge is astounding (spelling?). I cant beleive that they have become such a big company when their service is so poor. You cant even go on their web site using anything but Internet Explorer!!!!!!!! They really need to get thei act together! IT IS NOT EASIER. You do it the RM way or not at all. It is an ABSOULTE JOKE!

We've had some of this :-) And it's most frustrating when they eventually result to remote access and you watch them do everything that you've already done. If your not happy you must tell them to escalate the problem - some support line staff will try to avoid this. Check what they've written in your notes on the web, do they understand the problem? If you can't access it, tell someone (my account has gone AWOL a few times). When you speak to them, they appear to understand but write gibberish, which is then picked up by someone else like Chinese Whispers! Update the notes yourself. The theory is fine, 99% of calls will be from donkeys who have a glitch in their BIOS when they think that they have a faulty OS! :-) (follow this thread and see how efficient you think it was "Problem mounting floppy") so a monkey at the other end of the phone using Help Desk is good enough. The trick is for them to escalate the problem at just the right time. This goes for all help lines paid or free - no one is an expert at everything, even when reading from a script. If I have internet related problems I always start my call "I think that this is one for IFL (their ISP wing)" and I get straight through to someone who knows what their talking about rather than having a ring-tailed lemma (giving the benefit of the doubt now) trying to guess the answer. As regards to the RM way or no way. Well you can see their point if you get into their shoes. If you extend your system beyond their remit will you pay extra to have their staff trained to answer your extra questions or do you support it yourself? Who is responsible if it causes problems to the RM bit? We supplied a squid proxy, they don't want to know, they supplied a Cisco router and answer every question! And just in case this is miss-understood - No I don't work for RM, I detest them, I'm not sponsored by MS, I was very happy with the help I received from the list and learnt a lot too and in this case it's our money, not the governments! :-) Adrian

Kyle Williamson

11:06

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How can they give an excellent service when not a single person in the entrire company has any idea of how to solve any of our problems. Thier lack of knowledge is astounding (spelling?). I cant beleive that they have become such a big company when their service is so poor. You cant even go on their web site using anything but Internet Explorer!!!!!!!! They really need to get

I suppose you either pay RM to support your network, and then you can't really expect them to support products that are on your network that aren't there's. I guess RM are much more useful to schools without full time IT Bods, rather some poor teacher trying to teach and run a evergrowing network.. On a Different note, did anyone's school have any luck with Leading Edge/Advanced Schools today? -Kyle. == Kyle Williamson Solent Educational Solent House, Roman Road, Dibden Purlieu, Southampton, Hampshire, SO45 4RQ Tel: (023) 80 843189 Fax: (023) 80 848715 "You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the US of arrogance, and Germany doesn't want to go to war." -----Original Message----- From: adrian.wells [mailto:adrian.wells@sidcot.org.uk] Sent: 13 May 2003 10:29 To: techies stpauls; suse-linux-uk-schools@suse.com Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Suse and Winbind thei act

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together! IT IS NOT EASIER. You do it the RM way or not at all. It is an ABSOULTE JOKE!

Mark Evans

08:04

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On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 08:13:21PM +0100, Gareth Edmondson wrote:

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Hi Chris,

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First, my condolences to yourself and your ysgol on the RM situation. Not sure why Chris. I am sure you have your own opinion, but my experience of RM is good. Okay they are expensive, but it ain't my money. They give

IME that puts you in a minority. It isn't your money, it belongs to the British public, "given" to the government typically reluctantly.

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excellent service using products that are industry standard. Admittedly they

That explains why RM are unheard of outside of education.

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have tools bolted on, but this is to make it easier for non-technical teachers to use. Our network is XP and NT2KServer - nothing wrong with that my friend.

Why would anyone see anything wrong with tax payers money going to a foreign company thousands of miles away?

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I am afraid I cannot tell you how much we pay with RM. That is school information.

-- Mark Evans St. Peter's CofE High School Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 Fax: +44 1392 204763

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