December 2000 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] SQUID (caching proxy)
by Azrael Angel Of Death 20 Dec '00

20 Dec '00

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Router IP addresses
by Azrael Angel Of Death 20 Dec '00

20 Dec '00

*grins* Well.. you caught me out. What you really should have is a network card to the network, and an ISDN card to the internet (or modem or whatever). I was getting confused with my own plans to put a firewall between a network and a router (which would require two network cards, one connected to network and one connected to router). If you want a proxy server, you don't need anything this complicated. I assume you mean a caching proxy server, like squid? It sits just like any machine on the network (only 1 network card) and handles all http requests for other machines (and ftp etc if set up right). If you're interested in setting up a squid caching proxy server I have some files I wrote up for when I did it, a sort of how-to. There are good instructions online.. but I found mine catered to me better, because they explained what I would have needed to know when starting. We all start from different points, and if you can't get any good info anywhere else, I'd be more than happy to post you my file, or even to the list if anyone else is interested? --Azrael p.s. It's Azrael and not Azarael. And it's supposed to be the Angel of Death and not a minor deity. But I'll forgive you your mistake and let you.. live :) >From: "Adrian Wells" <adrian-wells(a)175-nbr.freeserve.co.uk> >Reply-To: "Adrian Wells" <adrian-wells(a)175-nbr.freeserve.co.uk> >To: <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> >Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Router IP addresses >Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:58:22 -0000 > >Hi, Azarael Angel Of Death, > >(Never though I would be greeting a minor deity on the Internet! It looks >like the use of SuSE is truly universal! Inter-galactic networking must >bring many problems of it's own though.) > >I am a little confused now. > >1) how could I connect to the Internet via a Network Interface Card (NIC). >I >would always assume Modem, ISDN terminal adapter etc. > >2) I have a server and an ISDN router connected to my network, both the >server and the router have single NIC. I wish to set up a local proxy >server >and assumed that this would 'sit' on the network via a NIC. Do I really >have >to isolate the network traffic, user/proxy and Proxy/router? I can see that >this could have advantages, but depending upon geography and topology this >could cause problems. > >3) Thank you for explaining DTE, I thought it meant "Data Terminal >Equipment" since we were talking about communications. > >Before answering great Azarael, may I remind you that to be human is to >ere! >or some other excuse! > >Kind Regards >Adrian Wells > > > >2) More to the point, Is it really necessary or just good practice to >use >a > > >second network card when connecting to a router? The implication below >is > > >that it IS necessary. > > > > One network card to be plugged into the Internet, one network card to be > > plugged into the network. > > I think you may be confused with specialist routers, a specialist router > > connects to the Internet and your network, but you don't need to put a > > 'second network card' into it, as it already has two. What is being >written > > about here is setting up a PC with two network cards, the correct >protocols, > > and then connecting it to network and Internet and using it as a router. > > DTE? > > *coughs* > > I mean, does this explain? :) > > > > --Azrael > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Router IP addresses
by Azrael Angel Of Death 20 Dec '00

20 Dec '00

>2) More to the point, Is it really necessary or just good practice to use a >second network card when connecting to a router? The implication below is >that it IS necessary. One network card to be plugged into the internet, one network card to be plugged into the network. I think you may be confused with specialist routers, a specialist router connects to the internet and your network, but you don't need to put a 'second network card' into it, as it already has two. What is being written about here is setting up a PC with two network cards, the correct protocols, and then connecting it to network and internet and using it as a router. DTE? *coughs* I mean, does this explain? :) --Azrael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] TLA's
by prytherch＠talk21.com 20 Dec '00

20 Dec '00

>A couple of things. >1) Would people submitting to the list please not use TLAs, [ deletia ] >quick to write but... I suppose we could do it properly and use Three Letter >Abbreviations (TLAs) in the correct manner, as practised by the technical >press et al. 'et al'? now abbreviations are one thing, but *Latin* abbreviations, really ;oP > >What do you mean, annually retentive? :-) Yeah, ditto Happy holidays - Richard South Cheshire Linux Users Group http://www.sc.lug.org.uk/projects/schools.html -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Koffice and KDE2
by Azrael Angel Of Death 20 Dec '00

20 Dec '00

Well.. is it not possible to set a global http_proxy environment ? So no real reason for KDE to duplicate this. Though a simple obvious way through KDE might help. Not actually quite sure how to set this .. is it: setenv http_proxy blah.blah.blah 8080 That of course would be using 'sh' as opposed to 'bash' However, exact syntax.. is it 'proxy.address:port' or 'proxy.address port' >From: "Mark Evans" <mpe(a)st-peters-high.devon.sch.uk> >To: Alan Davies <staff.asd(a)birkenhead.wirral.sch.uk> >CC: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com >Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Koffice and KDE2 >Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:55:25 +0000 (GMT) > > > Has anyone installed KDE2? Well - obviously, yes - but anyone here > > wish to comment on any problems? > >It still has the fault of copying the Windows "end user configuration" >model. e.g. no obvious way to globally set parameters such as web >proxies. Let alone something as sophisticated as stopping an end >user (or group of end users) altering things. > >The concept of adminstrator configuration (and restriction) appears >either lacking or undocumented. > >Also kmail still won't read maildir mailboxes, let alone interoperate >with sqwebmail. > >-- >Mark Evans >St. Peter's CofE High School >Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 >Fax: +44 1392 204763 > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Router IP addresses
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 20 Dec '00

20 Dec '00

> ....Have a Network of PC working under SAMBA > ....Want to connect these to the web.... > ....Can I do this using a dynamically assigned account from DEMON? Yes. Your first initial choice has to be (IMO) Full TCP/IP Internet access or not on the other machines ? ie can you get away with web only access ? If web only access then you can install a web proxy (apache or squid) on the box that connects to the ISP, and the local networking remains the same. If you want full TCP/IP Internet connectivity (FTP, email, news, etc) from all machines - you may not, as you can use all these services, by configuring up your ISP connected box to obtain the information and then configure your other machines just to use the ISP connected box - but if you do, then you have to do most of the following : 1. IP Network Address Translation (NAT)/Firewalling on the box that connects to the ISP. 2. IP Routing - essentially, all your other machines must be told a default route that 'points' to the LAN (ie not the ISP) side of your box that connects to the ISP. 3. DNS. If you want full TCP/IP access from all machines, then they will need to know the IP address of a DNS server. You have 2 choices : a) Tell them about your ISPs DNS server b) Run a DNS server on your box that connects to the ISP (in a caching-only configuration, with forwarding) and tell your other machines to use this box. A general note: It is advisable to run as little on your ISP connected box as you can get away with - so I would recommend that you don't use the same machine as you are using for Samba if possible. The ideal situation is a single machine doing firewalling/NAT with other services on other machines - but this is probably more for larger configurations. All the above just my opinions of course. Standard disclaimers apply :-) Kevin.

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Koffice and KDE2
by Alan Davies 20 Dec '00

20 Dec '00

I got all excited when I saw that Koffice was on the latest cover disc...until I got to the bit that said it required KDE2...which is apparently now out of beta. I'm still not very good with installation of packages. I navigated through the CDrom using netscape - and when I arrived at the rpms assumed I could just double click to trigger the install. (OK - so I assume I need to modify the MIME map files (where are they?) to do this) What 'package' should I point them to? I have never got Kpackage to to anything useful. Karchiver has worked though and installed CorelPaint9 for me (although I'm not sure that it installed it in the right place). In fact - it created an 'install' folder from which it was possible to run the installation programs. Can this be done directly from the CD archive without copying tens of megabytes of installation code - only to reinstall the actual code somewhere else...OK I suppose I could delete the installation folder now, but it seems a bit round about. Which brings me back to KDE2. It would appear that I need to upgrade various libraries, including Qt one. Is this likely to leave my current KDE in a state of disarray (or do the two versions coexist?) Should all this be done outside the GUI by changing inittab back to a console login? Has anyone installed KDE2? Well - obviously, yes - but anyone here wish to comment on any problems? -- Alan Davies Head of Computing Birkenhead School

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language
by ptaylor 20 Dec '00

20 Dec '00

I am trying to get KDE2 to work with Japanese langugae support. My girlfriend is Japanese and I have set her up with her own desktop on my machine (SuSE 7). However, when I set the personal preference to Japanese I just get ??? on all of the icons. I have loaded Japanese and Chinese character support using YAST but it still doesn't work. Any suggestions? Paul

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Physical Router or ISDN card?
by James H. Carter & Cybèle de Jong 15 Dec '00

15 Dec '00

What's better (or no diff)? ...a physical (ie box) Router or an internal ISDN card James Carter South Lee School www.southlee.demon.co.uk

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Last Posting ?
by prytherch＠talk21.com 14 Dec '00

14 Dec '00

>this could be my last posting to this list..... > >....as i have resigned from Becta and will taking up the post of Education >Sector Director for Red Hat in the New Year Congratulations... . but surely you'll still use SuSE at home (And hence stay on the list) ;oP - Richard Smedley South Cheshire Linux Users Group http://www.sc.lug.org.uk/ it's not a .sig, just the last line of the message. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com

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