http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=500382 Zheng Chen changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |zchen@novell.com AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.pr |yast2-maintainers@suse.de |ovo.novell.com | -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=500382 User admin@eregion.de added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=500382#c1 Mathias Homann changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Priority|P5 - None |P1 - Urgent Severity|Major |Critical --- Comment #1 from Mathias Homann 2009-05-05 10:42:49 MDT --- another occurence happening right now, the update banshee-1.829 (taglib-sharp-2.0.3.2-0.1.1.noarch.rpm) shows up in yast and updater applet but not in zypper... and if i _TRY_ to install this "update for banshee" it will uninstall all of beagle/kerry. funny part is, i dont even have banshee installed. i would care to suggest that "P5 - none" is a way too low priority for this. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=500382 User admin@eregion.de added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=500382#c3 --- Comment #3 from Mathias Homann 2009-05-05 11:56:20 MDT --- several ways. from the "install" button in the updater applet i only get "some error occured" with no details whatsoever. from the package manager in yast i get the actual list of conflicts. it wants to uninstall beagle (and because of that, kerry for kde3 and kde4) because beagle depends on an older version of taglib-sharp. from "zypper -r up" i dont get anything because "zypper -r up" does not even SHOW that update as available. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=500382 User admin@eregion.de added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=500382#c5 --- Comment #5 from Mathias Homann 2009-05-06 03:22:51 MDT --- it seems that "zypper -r up" does not look at all available packages either. "zypper patch" sees the broken banshee patch and shows the same conflicts as yast2. but that's actually outside the scope of this bug... what the bug is about is that behaviour described in the initial report which is not about patches but about regular newer packages... -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=500382 User mls@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=500382#c7 --- Comment #7 from Michael Schröder 2009-05-06 11:30:52 MDT --- #5: ok, but comment #1 was about patches so I assumed something in the patch handling is wrong. Sorry. If 'zypper -r up' is the same as 'zypper up' it won't update packages if that would result in other packages being deleted/downgraded. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=500382 User jkupec@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=500382#c9 Ján Kupec changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |jkupec@novell.com --- Comment #9 from Ján Kupec 2009-05-13 05:00:13 MDT --- (In reply to comment #0)

i do a "zypper -r up" as root on a commandline and i get this output: sai:~ # zypper -r lu Retrieving repository 'Packman Repository' metadata [done] Building repository 'Packman Repository' cache [done] Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... No updates found. sai:~ #

to me that means "no new package versions for the stuff you have installed."

It actually means, "no installable updates found". Do 'zypper lu --all' to list all available newer version to installed packages.

Now, if i start yast2, go to "install/remove software" (yast2 sw_single), select "summary", then set the checkmark for "keep" (I see all installed packages now), then right-click somewhere in that list and choose "all in this list -> update if never version is available" i get a message telling me "plasmoid-systemloadviewer-0.6-2.36.i686 needs kdebase4-runtime >= 4.2.2 which is not available", and a list of 100 packages, all belonging to KDE 4.2.2, which should be uninstalled.

This is the same as doing 'zypper update the-packages-from-the-list' - you would get the same result as with yast here.

Now, the issue in this bug is, why does yast2 think that kde4-webkitpart needs upgrading, and "zypper -r up" does not?

Explained above.

Which of the two ways to update your installation is the one to be trusted and relied on? yast2, or zypper?

From this report i see it would be nice to document the equivalent operations of YaST and zypper on zypper's wiki. E.g. "YaST's 'Update All In This List" is

Both. In each you have several ways how to do it. Please read the manuals (man zypper, http://en.opensuse.org/Zypper, YaST help), and if you don't find answers, complain like you did now. the same as "zypper up <the-list-of-packages>" and "There is no equivalent of zypper up in YaST". Anything else we should do regarding this report? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=500382 User tgoettlicher@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=500382#c11 Thomas Göttlicher changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW CC| |tgoettlicher@novell.com Info Provider|tgoettlicher@novell.com | --- Comment #11 from Thomas Göttlicher 2009-05-14 03:42:37 MDT --- (In reply to comment #10)

(In reply to comment #9)

...

From this report i see it would be nice to document the equivalent operations of YaST and zypper on zypper's wiki. E.g. "YaST's 'Update All In This List" is the same as "zypper up <the-list-of-packages>" and "There is no equivalent of zypper up in YaST".

Thomas, Duncan, please check if this is true, i'm not sure.

zypper up is simliar to 1. Filter: All Packages 2. All in this list -> Update if newer version available -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=500382 User jkupec@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=500382#c13 --- Comment #13 from Ján Kupec 2009-05-14 10:30:13 MDT --- c#11: OK, thanx. So yast does not use solver's Resolver::doUpdate() - this is what 'zypper up' does. This command installs only installable updates and ingores any newer versions which are not installable because of dependency problems (those can be install using 'zypper up/in foo' in which case user must choose from one of the proposed solutions). The yast operation you described: 1. Filter: All Packages 2. All in this list -> Update if newer version available is (or should be) equivalent with $ zypper up <the-list-of-all-installed-packages> The following achieves the same, but also tells which of available packages are not installed: $ zypper up '*' -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=500382 User ma@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=500382#c15 Michael Andres changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |ma@novell.com AssignedTo|zypp-maintainers@forge.prov |tgoettlicher@novell.com |o.novell.com | --- Comment #15 from Michael Andres 2009-10-20 05:02:45 MDT --- (In reply to comment #14)

@Thomas: we could also add the doUpdate() functionality to YaST (i thought it was already there somewhere).

So this is for the UI. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=500382 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=500382#c16 Thomas Göttlicher changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|tgoettlicher@suse.com |mvidner@suse.com --- Comment #16 from Thomas Göttlicher 2014-01-21 10:12:03 UTC --- Reassigning to new maintainer. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.