https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=287872#c1 Ricardo Cruz changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |WONTFIX --- Comment #1 from Ricardo Cruz 2007-06-28 11:02:15 MST --- I appreciate the feedback, but I will close it down for the moment, since it refers to a wide vector of aspects, neither of which well elaborated. * the two lists approach was designed by Novell folks and works pretty well for the tasks it was designed; could you describe your use case(s)? Other distributions (see Mandriva) use that core concept, and their users find current yast harder to use (granted, the main complain seems to be that the icons are too tiny.) Could it be that you simply are not used to it? Adopting the one-list approach is not out of the table... We would rather ship it as is for 10.3, and then open up the discussion on opensuse-ux to hear what people that used it for some time have to say. We can of course make it possible to enable that approach for 10.3; I don't feel particularly motivated to spent time on that, but would surely help someone interested (are you? the base is all set, you would just need some GTK+ knowledge). * switching between modes ("plain list" to "in patterns") is a very uncommon case. Is it not for you? * the interface can be a bit unresponsive after you change modes for some seconds. Is this what you mean? Or is it that you find the delay of the interactive search too long? * what features are you lacking? * the two triangles are to select a newer or older version of the package. You find them non-intuitive when they are disabled (when there is no other version of the package to install), right? Isn't a Major bug, since users will just ignore them, and realize pretty quickly their function once they are enabled. But I think we can come up with a better intuitive way for it, like display the version text next to them. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=287872#c3 Jörg Kreß changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |jkress@novell.com --- Comment #3 from Jörg Kreß 2007-06-29 01:58:58 MST --- Frankly, I'm not really happy with sw_single in gtk-mode either. One of the complaints I can understand and support is the fact that installed packages also appear in the list of available packages, which is kind of confusing. The one list approach seem to be in broader use, hence I think more people will feel much faster at home if there is just one list (e.g. Synaptic, sw_single-qt, Smart, Fedora's Pirut, Ubuntu's app-install, ...). Granted, both Synaptic and sw_single-qt can be considered expert front ends. That's because the functionality is instantly visible. The gtk interface to sw_single might offer the same functionality but it is very often hidden (And there lies the problem: the functions are not visible enough -- bad for experts -- but there is still too much functionality and information to consider this tool to be simple). In the long term we should make sw_single the expert tool, with a similar interface in both qt and gtk (better in terms of documentation). Maybe some tweaks might be nice (use buttons instead of drop-down list for the views, like Synaptic does). For the other side of the user spectrum we should design a totally different tool specific to their needs (maybe hiding packages at all, as most desktop users just care about applications and not packages). Suggestion: * Discuss these design issues now, maybe on the yast-devel list. Come up with a feasable solution for 10.3 and a plan for beyond, taking user feedback of 10.3 into account. * Open a new bug for 10.3 plans. Try to close it in time. * Open a bug for post 10.3 plans and refer to it when complaints arrive (aka. we are aware of this and are working on it) * Mark this bug a duplicate of the post-10.3 bug We should address this, as it seems to be only complain, I keep hearing about yast-gtk. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=287872#c5 --- Comment #5 from Ricardo Cruz 2007-06-29 04:48:01 MST --- Created an attachment (id=148912) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=148912) Mockup of a new version picker widget -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=287872 Andreas Jaeger changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |aj@novell.com AssignedTo|bnc-team- |jkress@novell.com |screening@forge.provo.novell| |.com | Status|REOPENED |NEW -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=287872#c11 Ricardo Cruz changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|LATER | --- Comment #11 from Ricardo Cruz 2007-11-07 10:19:56 MST --- Leave this open. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=287872#c13 Ricardo Cruz changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |smshUA@sh.org.ua --- Comment #13 from Ricardo Cruz 2007-11-11 14:26:22 MST --- *** Bug 339962 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=339962 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=287872 Ricardo Cruz changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|jkress@novell.com |rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt Status|REOPENED |ASSIGNED -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=287872 Ricardo Cruz changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|yast-gtk frontend for software management is |yast-gtk package selector UI issues |unusable | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=287872#c17 Ricardo Cruz changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |bjorn.lie@gmail.com --- Comment #17 from Ricardo Cruz 2007-11-17 18:49:31 MST --- *** Bug 337567 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=337567 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=287872#c19 Ricardo Cruz changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |holgi@novell.com --- Comment #19 from Ricardo Cruz 2007-11-17 19:04:55 MST --- *** Bug 298735 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=298735 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=287872 User rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=287872#c21 --- Comment #21 from Ricardo Cruz 2007-12-14 14:47:29 MST --- Thank you all for your interest. I have re-written the package selector with input from some members from the community. I hope the interface will please you. ;) If you'd like to give it a try, download it: svn checkout http://svn.opensuse.org/svn/yast/trunk/gtk/unstable-libyui/ yast-gtk Building instructions make -f Makefile.cvs make sudo make install On README, you'll find the necessary -devel packages for the building. You'll need to have the new yast-ui installed. Not sure if this is already in factory (check if you have /usr/include/YaST2/yui/YApplication.h to see if you got it installed). To build and install yast-ui: svn checkout http://svn.opensuse.org/svn/yast/trunk/core yast-core cd yast-core make -f Makefile.cvs cd libyui # only libyui broke ABI make && sudo make install This new libyui will break yast-ncurses and yast-qt. So, you'll want to have yast2, yast2-core and yast2-gtk RPMs handy, to re-install them after you have playing. Use "rpm --force" to force a re-install. If you'd like to keep it, and have qt and ncurses working, just build those -- the process is the same as that of yast-gtk. To download them: svn checkout http://svn.opensuse.org/svn/yast/trunk/gtk/unstable-libyui/ncurses svn checkout http://svn.opensuse.org/svn/yast/trunk/gtk/unstable-libyui/qt -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=287872 User rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=287872#c23 Ricardo Cruz changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #23 from Ricardo Cruz 2007-12-16 05:53:05 MST --- ups, still open. Closing for real now. :) Let me know if you have any issues, or if there's some functionality you'd like. See ya! -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.