Lars Müller wrote:
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 07:22:57PM +0100, LLLActive@GMX.Net wrote:
C wrote:
I'm not asking for a change now.. just trying to point out that in some of what we do here in the project we forget the end user... +1. exactly !!
Wouldn't it be nice with an option on the first YaST window:
Please indicate user experience level
Good indicator, the user decides what (s)he wants! The technical issue besides the point for now; it is the attitude that is reflected. Mature software presents a non-patronizing manner to the user by allowing choices, and informing by good help functions about them. Having done some technical writing and training material, it was noticed that such efforts by users willing to help with such uninteresting things like documentation and help systems are scared off by these same engineers that know how it all works and loathe the ignorance of these 'common' users. In stead of working together, this attitude destroys great products like openSUSE in the long run. No wonder many drift back to the brain dead M$ approach out of frustration about such infantile attitudes. Pity. Sigh.
Ok, what's the conclusion?
Something is broken from the view of several of us.
There is room for improvement if we are keen to make openSUSE remain a good choice for less experienced users. I think that is a goal worth pursuing, but because our a distinct lack of leadership we don't know if openSUSE thinks so too.
What are we doing?
Discuss it as long as possible till one finally gets annoyed to work on it?
This habit I would call an infantile attitude. Try to step back a bit and then consider where to spent your time on.
Please compare the issue discussed here to the noise generated on list and the input given to address it at via https://features.openSUSE.org/
Where all good intentions go to die. Well, not all, but it certainly is not a happening place. If Basil had posted a new FATE instead of starting this thread, chances are that nobody would have ever heard about it.
Till now none of you who puts this amount of energy into this thread had been powerful, smart, or solution driven enough to file a feature request. Instead you expect others to drive something you like to get changed.
Lars, in case you were not aware, one does not need to be powerful, smart or even "solution driven" to file anything at openFATE. One just needs a slightly naive belief that it'll start something. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't expect anyone to do anything. I'm just pointing out a weakness in openSUSE that I think ought to be addressed. If I had the time and resources, I would do it myself. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org