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Re: [yast-devel] A Plan for YaST: Project Amaranth
  • From: Birger Kollstrand <birger.kollstrand@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 10:39:47 +0100
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2011/2/9 Martin Vidner <mvidner@xxxxxxx>:
A Plan for YaST: Project Amaranth


YaST as a platform has been stagnant for the past few years.
Half of the original team has been busy with WebYaST and other web
Since relicensing to GPL in 2004 we got very few contributions
- Benjiman's One Click Install being a notable exception
- Oracle contacted us with their patches (based on a previous
 version of SLE), but we did not follow up.
Much of the code has no tests, patching it is risky.
Linux around evolves, a recent example being systemd, so YaST must
keep up.
If we don't provide a direction for YaST, it will rot and die.


Amaranth is a project to open up YaST and realize its potential:
Deprecate YCP, a custom YaST language, in favor of Ruby(*), a widespread one.
Thus gain contributors from openSUSE and possibly other distro communities.

*) see a followup mail about the language choice


Take the existing unfinished attempts yast2-ruby-bindings,
yast2-libyui, ruby-yui, bind libstorage to ruby.

- loudly state the intent to make them usable, including a timeline (see When)
- provide good and up-to-date documentation
- integrate with the Ruby ecosystem:
-- document in form usual for Ruby developers (rdoc/yard)
-- get found at rubygems (if only as a stub to point to the real package)
- move from Subversion to Git (host at Gitorious, Github, or both) (see Why
- give good examples of usage, by converting a couple of production
 YaST modules to the new platform


Have it all ready by the release of openSUSE 12.0 (November 2011) at the
Better, do it for an earlier milestone and have 12.0 feature
independent contributions.
Don't try hasty fixes for 11.4, now we still can't guarantee the
API. Possibly do a backport.


The long term goal is "hackers from around the Tux world". For now,
it's myself, looking for you, the YaST hackers, to join, and for the
team leads, project and product managers to give us time for it.

Why Git

Git enables fearless hacking, power to the people, easy merging.

Code Name

Amaranth is a purple (read flower whose name means
'unwithering'. The tool is still branded YaST. Amaranth is the
project to make the transition to world domination.

Why is a separate project needed?
Why not combine forces with already existing mature environments?
Especially when a major change is to be done anyway?

I think that it can be done faster and safer if the creative forces
are combined in stead of duplicating existing work.

Kind regards Birger
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