Re: is leap 42 a beta version? (WAS: Re: [opensuse] bug? network installation leap 42.1 sha256sum file chrashes leap42.1 system?

On 18/11/15 16:00, ianseeks wrote:

On Wednesday 18 Nov 2015 14:49:15 Richard Brown wrote:

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On 18 November 2015 at 11:18, buhorojo wrote:

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On 18/11/15 07:46, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I don't use Leap42.1 except on my laptop as something to experiment with. Hi There seems a lot of doubt about using leap. As novices, we see it as taking over from the opensuse we were used to. There seems no alternative. If you want opensuse it has to be leap from now on.

It is worrying members here who know what they are talking about are being cautious about using it. Our teacher just told us a story about opensuse 11 which contained an experimental versions but no one knew about it. Is this the same with leap? Leap 42.1 is not a beta version

Leap 42.1 is a final product of a stable regular release

While Basil is very vocal, it's important to recognise that his voice does not reflect the intention of those contributors working on Leap, nor does it necessarily reflect the opinions of the majority of users of openSUSE i think you are being over sensitive to comments made by very experienced commentators in these forums and seeing things that are just not there. If

On Wednesday 18 Nov 2015 12:17:14 Richard Brown wrote: people feel they cannot sometimes be robust in comments, then you get the feeling censorship is being enacted. Everybody has an off day when they word an email in a bad way, please show me the person that hasn't. I'm not trying to censor Basil, but yes, I do want to counter his often negative perspective with my own, and where appropriate and when I feel comfortable doing so also do my best to reflect the broader

On 18 November 2015 at 14:16, ianseeks wrote: perspectives I see in our community

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i agree with you. I can't see anything in what you have said that could have caused that comment from Richard.

Well I can pick out a few examples that give me some concern

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-11/msg00111.html - inciting baseless FUD

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-11/msg00371.html - discouraging users from using a perfectly well tested and supported upgrade path

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-11/msg00373.html

Generally speaking, the trend of comments I'm seeing from Basil could be described to have a theme against the direction of travel of the Project. That's fine, different opinions are welcome, but I get worried when they become baseless advice that effect users. And this thread is a perfect example of such an impact. I couldn't see anything in any of those links worth worrying about.

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So lets cycle back to the original point of this thread, Buhorojo quoting Basil and citing that as grounds for concern about Leap, because Basils comments imply that Leap 42.1 isn't good enough for him/is buggy/whatever

His comment upthread doubles down on this point, suggesting that it's common sense that people do not upgrade right away, because new releases are going to be full of bugs. Thats sensible, you don't upgrade your working system until you've proved the new one is ready for you. And its been common knowledge over the years of software development that version 1 of anything is risky, not out of malice but a fact of life in software.

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And yet, despite having all these opinions which he is entitled to (fair enough) and is very keen to share with everyone..I can't find a single bug report in Leap from Basil, or involving Basil, or otherwise related to Basil [1]

So I think my effort to make it clear that Basil's opinion is not universal, and is possibly lacking a concrete basis, is both fair & justified. It's not personal, just as Basil is entitled to his opinion, I should be entitled to mine Yes, everyone should have an opinion and be able to voice it. Wrong opinions can always be corrected with reasonable people. I think everyone would be very happy for you to exclude trolls because they are definitely not helpful.

Thanks everyone I think the thing about version 1 of anything is a good one. It's not just here either. At school we are not allowed windows 10 until the service pack 1 is out. As it's up to us to be able to justify our choice of opensuse, the leap version has come at just the wrong time as we've only just proven that 13.2 does the job. We're sure that it will be fine as the only other repository we need is packman but still... ATM we argue that if leap has regular updates then that will count as a windows service pack and we can go ahead. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org