Am 04.06.2014 20:25, schrieb Dirk Gently:
Anton Aylward wrote:
On 06/04/2014 08:26 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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What Carlos is saying, what I'm saying, is that this is Linux and its configurable. Its as configurable to the degree that you want to put the effort in to make it so.
Different distributions have varying packaging, philosophies and defaults.
Be thankful, but don't complain that when you buy a GM that its over-engineered since the wheels have 5 lugs whereas Ford has clearly demonstrated that you only need four to hold the wheel on.
No, you're not getting it.
If the systemd miscreants were in the automobile tire business, they would be trying to tell us how much better their 64-sided tires are so much better than 8-sided tires... entirely missing the point that TIRES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ROUND, not polygonal.
All of these "features" in systemd are not beneficial, because they are all tied into ONE executable...one thing we know is that modularity is FAR FAR FAR superior to integration. Modularity forces a discipline on design that need not be observed with massive integration -- thereby allowing sloppy constructs.
The point is NOT to have more and more features to the program... . The history of computing is litered with the various corpses of huge, intricate systems which try to do EVERYTHING i in one process or one piece of code. This creates a structure which is brittle. OS/360 is a perfect example -- over time, the number of bugs remained constant, because on average, patching one bug would create another. MULTICS was an overall failure for similar reasons.
Talking about modularity (which I personally prefer) versus massive integration...: how about breaking up this thread into various modules, so it can get handled better, is more interesting, and - who knows - leads to something... So - this thread ("unhandy systemd logging") IMHO can be closed, because there ARE alternatives, even set up by default. If there are other views, please continue the discussion, restricted to /this/ topic (following the modularity rules) - open new threads, each one for the various "topic-modules", like "massive integration of systemd" or whatever other subtopic the people with appropriate knowledge have to criticize and others, like me, want to learn about. - if it's necessary you can even open a "f*ck & sh*t" thread to insult each other. If creatively used, I'll follow. Quietly, for lack of words. Each and every one who clutters these systemd threads with various topics has lost credibility in my eyes, because s/he does just the same as systemd: taking all together in one big and error-prone pile... I think systemd is an important topic and I'd like to know and see what's going on. But please don't force me to create a binary database to extract the information of this thread. Thanks Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com google+: https://plus.google.com/109534388657020287386 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org