Re: [opensuse] network.service fails; was:smbd does not startinoS12.1

5 Aug 2012

      2012. augusztus 5. 22:17 napon Lars Müller  írta:
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On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 09:28:12PM +0200, Istvan Gabor wrote:
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2012. augusztus 5. 16:45 napon Lars Müller  írta:
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We had this discussion before.  And Marcus Meissner showed you a way to
achieve the same with much less information provided.
Could you please point me to the link where it can be found?
The opensuse list search function does not work.
Sorry, I've not found it.  Please check the archive.  I believe it was
in a thread you and Marcus Meissner had been involved.  Either on this
or on the openSUSE-factory list.
Thanks.
I checked back until January both this and factory lists and could not
find any relevant thread by subject except of one which is probably not
the one you meant:

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2012-07/msg00809.html

In this message Marcus Meissner writes:

"I assigned it someone else.

 You could look through the maintainers in the "games" repository where
 neverball lives and mail them.

 Or this list.

 Or you can fix this yourself via OBs collaboration and do a submitrequest:)"

That is nothing specific.
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It's an approach which requires much, much less details than the default
for openSUSE defect reports.
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We as developers are not your bugzilla proxy.
I understand this. But still should be way for problems which are
not entered into bugzilla toward developers. I am sure I am not
the only one who reports bugs on a mailing list with pleasure
but is reluctant to register to novell (etc) and fill in bugzilla
like forms.
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As soon as any of us
would file the report all further questions would have to be passed back
to this list.
I don't understand what this sentence means.
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That's no fun.  This is a game where both parties have to
be involved.
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Well, does this mean, if an end user won't make a bug report, the issue
won't be fixed at all, even if it is obviously a serious one?
Because the developers are not interested in fixing it?
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As a developer I'll care and fix issues I'm aware of.  And the tool to
get aware of an issue is bugzilla.
According to the info below you are responsible of samba service
at openSUSE. This is from /etc/init.d/smb file on openSUSE 12.1:

#! /bin/sh
# Copyright (c) 2002-2004 SuSE Linux AG, Nuernberg, Germany.
# All rights reserved.
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# Author: Lars Mueller 

And you are aware of the problem.
Still you are saying I have to make that bug
report. This is burocracy.
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Not all SUSE developers are reading all openSUSE lists.  In particular
those with a bad noise to content ratio.  But we all use bugzilla.
Bugzilla is the tool the project uses.
Bugzilla isn't perfect.  But till now we've not seen an alternative
which fits better to all our needs.
I repeat what I said: you can not expect end users to register
to novel and bugzilla and fill bug reporting forms.
What you can expect is provide a simple system where/through which
they can report problems. In my opinion that is the way it should be.

Thanks for your reply.

Istvan

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