my own little project with 11.4 and kde3 is still alive and well. on the desktop, i finally got virtual box to run, after i downloaded a bunch more of kde3 shtuff from the "official" site. have not run a vm yet, but vbox seems to be very happy w. the way things lay. don't know which kde3 app did it, but i would be willing to list all the kde3 components installed. On the laptop, i tried oh about 4 diff. versions of 11.4, including a kde4, gnome and xfce graphics front end, alas, none of them could make my bc4312 dell wireless ( the machine is a dell vostro1710) do anything. and the /var/log messages kept saying the card just died!!!!. finally, with kde3 running, i deleted /var/lib/firmware/ b43 firmware, b43firmware-legacuy and also b43-wl something. then, i mounted my 11.1 /var/lib/firmware directory and copied the b43firmware and b43firmweare-legacy folders into their respective spot in my 11.4 system, rebooted and now wicd 1.7 connects to the home wireless immediately, that's something like 15 out of 15 tries, after reboots to windoze xp and suse 11.1 and back to 11.4 randomly interspersed within :) sooo, suse devs, please take another look at the bcm43/b43 drivers, sometim is amiss big time. and the "old" drivers just seem to work...( almost as well as either gubuntu or kubuntu, both of which were tried in the same partition.) d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org