On Mon April 13 2009 3:48:47 pm ne... wrote: [...]
First, the KDE devs are making changes to the OBS that modify earlier versions of KDE with KDE4 code.
Second, There is no one responsible for fixing changes made by 'virtaully anybody' that break existing code/libraries/packages.
Third, many, even most of the users are not programmers and lack essential troubleshooting skills and
Fourth, even for the Cummunity members that are or can program, virtually only the Devs have any real understanding of the code in the OBS that will be 'maintained' by Community and because of poor or no documentation in the code or elsewhere, User patches submitted to the OBS run the real risk of inducing subtle logic errors that often have far-reaching side effects.
Lastly, no one really expects the Devs to 'maintain' KDE3.x, just to quit destoying it for those that need or want it, warts and all. Seems like since you have a very idea of what is going on, you are a
If by KDE dev you mean the oS devs working on KDE, then your choice is to help maintain KDE3 in OBS. The oS devs have made their choice, at least the option still remains for you to get KDE3.
If the OBS copy of 3.5.x were left untainted by the development of v4.x, that might be somewhat viable, but what is in the OBS as 3.5 is 'tainted' with replacement code that has been modified for 4.x compatibility at the expense of compatibility with 3.x except in name only in some cases. OBS is NOT a viable solution at this time. So is it not possible to set up a near area in OBS and use the
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 01:41, Richard <ricreig@gmail.com> wrote: prime candidate for taking over as #1 maintainer. [...] pristine source from kde.org and add patches as you see fit? I am not well versed in how OBS works, so someone will have to tell me. [...]
Then you are going to have to step up and start compiling stuff yourself. Instead of being reactive, you are going to have to be proactive.
I do, often, but not everyone has that ability and don't have the skills to be 'proactive' as you suggest. They just need 'leave well enough alone' mentalities to prevail somewhat better. No one is asking the Devs to stop developing, just not to do it at the expense of those that don't want to play that game. Well, it you take over the maintainance of it, you'll be able to rip out their changes and tell the to back off.
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Since KDE3 will be in OBS for oS11.2 if the community that needs it steps up, you should be able to do a base install and add KDE later on. That is one choice you have. If the community does not step up to maintain KDE3, you can always download the tarbols and then compile and install them.
As already indicated, the last 'untainted' version of KDE3.5.x is no longer in the OBS with key features/utilities like Konqueror for instance, having been replaced by the KDE4.x replacement of the same name. There is nothing wrong with PORTING KDE4.x code to be compatible with 3.x, just keep it separate in case the Port is undesireable for some. Seems what I stated above might be a solution to this tainting.
<peptalk> Those wanting KDE3 for oS11.2 and newer may not like the choices they are being given. However, the way things stand, it looks you are going to have to take a proactive stance, step up and help maintain KDE3 in OBS if you want to have it. The oS devs have made their position clear, now it is up to the community to do something positive for themselves. </peptalk> You have restated the problem very well. It is only the solution is not good because it is already comprimised and lacks adequate responsibility and quality control considerations.
However, we are not far apart in our understanding of the problem. I sincerely hope that a solution can be reached that will satisfy all parties concerned.
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