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Re: [opensuse] Workspaces X Wallpapers (KDE4)
  • From: Richard Creighton <rccj@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:16:06 -0500
  • Message-id: <200901141616.06730.rccj@xxxxxxxxxxx>
On Wed January 7 2009 1:08:39 pm Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 7. Januar 2009 17:32:27 schrieb Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.:
Because KDE3 is final, i.e. a dead-end and because of all the advantages
KDE4 has, e.g. a very flexible desktop that kde3 does not provide.

But, KDE 3 is a mature, featureful desktop environment in it's own right
and it all works. KDE 4.0 and 4.1 are broken, experimental development
versions that are missing a lot of *expected* features and, have a
significantly higher crash rate.

Says who? All people I know, do not have those problems. Maybe it is a
personal thing.

KDE 3 should have been the default until KDE 4 was really ready for
brand-new Linux users. Specifically, those that don't want to take part in
experimentation and development, but rather be handed a finished[1]
product. Yes, KDE 4 should have been available but *not* the default.

KDE4 is better already and the future, hence it is the default choice. Read
the mail by the guy who installed it for a new-to-linux-user.

So you are saying that KDE4 is most appropriate for the few former users of
dumbed down idiotware from M$ because they are more comfortable with that kind
of a system and inappropriate for the vast majority of Linux users that are not
used to dumbed down, choicless systems.

When I installed 11.1, I excercised my 'choice' and selected 'other' + KDE3.5,
but most of the installed software supposedly KDE3.5.x was actually KDE4.x
replacements that simply didn't work well for me....notably Konqueror was so
crippled that I had to go get the source for it and recompile it and overwrite
the 'choice' I was given. I'm not even sure it is possible to get/install
v3.5.x in any 'pristine' form during the install of 11.1. Don't tell me to
not install 11.2, that is BS because there is more to the distro than KDE such
as wifi drivers and kernel bugfixes and much more of value. KDE4 stuff is
being jammed down my throat even when I explicitly spend much time during
installation deselecting anything that mentions KDE4.x and then trying to find
the 3.5x equivilents that somehow don't get marked even though you select that
'package'. If I want SuSE 11.1+, I am FORCED to take KDE 4 stuff even though
I want KDE3.5.10 stuff ONLY on my production machines. I run both versions of
KDE on my TEST MACHINE but when I want to do real work, I don't want to also be
doing testing when I can be using a 'mature and functional' desktop.



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