SuSE listers: I've been watching this argument for some time (since the demise of Aaron Kulkis) and have the following long-winded thoughts. First of all, I still use SuSE 9.3 (and a MacBook) which works fine for me, so I've not even seen what KDE 4.~ looks like, and secondly, I don't write code in a production environment (I design laser laboratory equipment for the last 25 years). So much of what I'm about to say is not based on an experience with the new KDE product, it is based on customer's reactions to that product. That said, when my customers come to me and scream that their hardware does not work like they want it to, that they want round knobs instead of square knobs, that they want blue lights instead of green lights, I do not try to "educate" them, I do not insult them, I do not tell them to go file a bug report and then label it as "Invalid", but I go back to my marketing crew to find out if the feelings are universal, and if so, then I go back to the drawing table and give my customers round knobs and blue lights. Now I understand that this is an "Open Source" community, and that there is "choice" and developers like to "innovate" and all of that stuff. But in the long run, I cannot go into my grocery store and trade all of that for a loaf of bread: I need to sell something to trade cash for bread. So if SuSE wants to sell something, it might be helpful to "hear" their customers. -- Tony Alfrey tonyalfrey@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org