The KDE developers are apparently feeling the displeasure of users and their fellow Developers over the direction of and current state of KDE4 http://troy-at-kde.livejournal.com/16734.html There is also this famous "Pick up my marbles and go home" quote: "KDE, like many other open-source projects, doesn't really need users at all" in this story which speaks of dissatisfaction among the developers so strong that some were speaking of a fork to get back to the usability of KDE3: http://practical-tech.com/operating-system/kde-developer-quits/ There are lots of good links in those articles which reveal the mindset and inner workings of the KDE developers, and its clear they knew going in that 4.0 and even 4.1 were and remain BETA, the fact that two distros pushed them out into the world early has probably done more damage to KDE than any other single event. -- ----------JSA--------- "Ubuntu" is an African word meaning "Suse is too hard for me". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org