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Re: [opensuse] 11.0 KDE 4 {first impressions}
  • From: Bob S <911@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:24:02 -0400
  • Message-id: <200806212324.03173.911@xxxxxxxxxxx>
On Saturday 21 June 2008 09:40:50 am Anders Johansson wrote:
On Saturday 21 June 2008 15:34:03 Matt Archer wrote:
Yes it was, Aaron, but not among the first time users.

Of course, that's because this month's first-time users weren't
subscribed several months ago, so, what's your point exactly?

I haven't seen any posts about KDE4 from first time users now either

So, then, either you are as blind as a bat, or you're lying.

Neither, I know how to read the questions I'm answering, and the
question wasn't "has this been discussed", it was "is it hitting first
time users"

If it's hitting someone as experienced as Ken Schnieder....

So you're betting that Ken Schnieder makes WORSE installation decisions
than first time users???

It's a fairly safe bet. Experienced users are far more likely to go for the
"hey this looks interesting, let's see what this looks like" kind of

His experience also means that he's set in the ways of KDE3 and explicitly
looks for functionality that used to be there

A new user will take it for what it is, and the core functionality is
there. I grant you it's not as feature rich as KDE3, but it has all the
core parts that a first time user will need.

So, the thinking is: They are dumb newbies. They don't know any better and
won't know the difference, That means we can give them less. Nice !

You mentioned previously in this thread that the 10.3 users didn't complain.
Maybe, maybe not, but they sure asked a lot of questions. I being one of
them, It was you that told me how to get rid of all of KDE4, of which the
method didn't work very well.

KDE4 as it was supplied for 10.3 was a horror. It interfered with KDE3 and had
none of my favorite functionality of KDE3. Whenever you "kdesu"ed to an app
it would bring up the KDE4 app which didn't work properly. Yes I know it was
a early alpha or something and I know it has probably improved tremendously,
but at the time it was just to much of a hassle, so I got rid of it.

I have patience, When I get around to installing 11,0 in about a month or so,
I will be using KDE 3. In 6 months or so maybe I will try KDE4 to see if it
has finally attained the functionality that KDE 3 has presntly. There is
nothing wrong with KDE3. It is a great sophisticated desktop.

SuSE should not be in competition with the other distros like kubuntu or
fedora. SuSE is what it is because it is known and acclaimed to be a solid
easily installed distro.

I don't bitch and I don't moan and I understand, but IMHO you folks at
SuSE/Novell have acted very unfairly to your user base, especially to the
newbie converts. This needn't have been rushed. I sincerely hope it does not
rise up and bite you in the proverbial place.

Bob S
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