On Saturday 21 June 2008 08:01:40 am Ken Schneider wrote:
It was never my intention to open a can of worms when I started this thread. I just wanted to vent/rant a little about KDE 4. It should never have been presented on the main desktop selection screen as it gives the user a false sense of being mature enough for everyday use. Telling someone to install 4.1 afterward is pointless as new users won't know anything about it and will be left with a bad taste in their mouth.
Ken, everyone complaining is comparing KDE4 to KDE3. It is not fair to compare well developed stuff, after years of development, with new kid in town. I see only guys with hidden agenda, or naive to fall in their net, to complain. I guess you are the second category. It is classic misuse of established rule, in this case, that same name software with bigger version number is development of that software with more functionality. KDE guys follow their convention where base of the name is KDE with appended major version number and trolls are misusing this systematically. No one is talking about features, versions, just general KDE4, like that is all the same. If they would be interested in advancement, they will be more detailed, but they are not. The KDE naming is misused to deter new users from KDE4 which will reduce number of people filling bug reports, asking for features, and that will slow down current rush development. I don't think that is just some annoying guy crusade. Whoever will benefit from delaying KDE4 development is behind this. If it is company, I can understand, it is fight for the market, but if it is another open source group than it is plain stupid to shoot at your forerunner. Apropos KDE4, it is usable. It has all basic functions of the desktop and many more are in place. You can't mark it as alpha, beta, as number of functions over what is expected for basic desktop does not determine software status. KDE4 has more functionality that many desktops hidden in software repositories, and they are not alpha or beta, unless developer is testing new features.
Having used SuSE/openSUSE for over ten years I have come to expect a certain amount of quality.
You got that. Use KDE3 and if you care, help KDE4 development. Nobody can offer finished open source software, and those that expect it will come from somewhere, just ignore 2 main properties of open source development, release early, release often. ...
KDE4 is coming along nicely but doesn't deserve front page billing yet as too much is still missing. And no I don't have the time to open 10's of bugzilla reports for all of the missing parts.
Just check existing, and if you see something missing add your report. That will help you and developers. They will see feature request, and adjust priorities in porting functionality, and you will get feature sooner.
Can we please now drop this thread? (Henne)
I can't say for Henne, but IMHO, it is too late right now. This is publicly available in the http://lists.opensuse.org and many other places that mirror lists, and trolls arguments have to be answered, so that public don't get wrong picture that their argument is valid. It is n-th time that we have to do this, but once started, you can't simply stop. The only way you can help is not be the one that is starting. -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org