Scott Newton wrote:
On Tuesday 20 May 2008 13:41:09 Sam Clemens wrote:
Scott Newton wrote:
Tell us about the problems which were discussed in February, and the assurances that KDE 4 would be ready by the time 11.0 was released, despite the fact that huge tracts of basic functionality are still missing.
And lets not forget the frequently crashing Konsole. I'm using KDE4 and KDEPIM4 here at home everyday. I find it nicer to use
On Tuesday 20 May 2008 12:53:40 Sam Clemens wrote: than KDE3 and KDEPIM3 and yes there are some things missing but I would hardly say there was "huge tracts of basic functionality" missing. In fact, Konsole does not crash for me at all and I use it a lot. Konqueror still has some annoying bugs but most of the one's I've wanted to raise have already been in bugzilla. I can read my email, schedule things in the calendar, read my rss feeds, play my music, compile my programs, connect to work and even change the way my desktop looks without virtually no hassles. So what's missing? And no, I'm not associated with Novell at all.
If you want a rock solid production desktop spend the less than a hundred NZ dollars for a SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop subscription. If you don't want a cutting edge desktop install Gnome or KDE3. KDE 3 is not bleeding edge.
I did say if you do not want....
Now...if you have a business with a small shop, and he decided to try SuSE 11.0, and doesn't happen to have a SuSE *expert* there when he does it....and he chooses to use the KDE desktop, what sort of experience is he going to have?
If it's a business and he really wants to ensure that what he is running is rock solid and stable then he should be paying the tiny amount that Novell asks and be using SUSE Linux Enterprise Server and Desktop and not openSUSE. (Same as RedHat would say don't use Fedora). If he wants to do it on the cheap then he needs to do his own research and decide what he wants to use. Even with Windows you have to decide which of the 2 XP or 7 Vista flavors you want.
You think a small shop owner is going to just throw around $1000 on a product they've never seen or tested, when they can get a download and at least test it for free???? Are you insane? Do you understand in the slightest the mentality of the typical small business owner? Especially one who has already paid for whatever Windows software he's using. As I said earlier, if you guys can't get a clue, then I suggest you go buy one
Its not like your business users really give a fuck about transparency effects and other hollywood-ish special effects... they just want a RELIABLE COMPUTER WITH SOFTWARE THAT WORKS THAT DOESN'T CRASH
Have you ever worked in the software industry?
I've worked in several industries which PURCHASE software. And glaring bugs and omissions make otherwise nice software a complete non-starter. People have learned that promised functionality often turns out to be vaporware -- so if they have no prior experience with KDE...then what are they to think other than that this is yet another software vendor with vague, empty promises which are never fulfilled.
You sell systems by providing "effects" that make the managers think it's brilliant even it's not. One of the companies I use to work for had a good solid system with generally better functionality than the companies we were competing against but we often lost deals because we didn't have the flash-whizz-bang effects of the other systems.
Or more likely, because your salesmen couldn't sell water in the desert.
Eventually we put them in even though from a business perspective they were completely useless just so that we ended up on the short list...
KDE 4 is getting there...but it's NOT THERE YET.
And neither is Vista but it doesn't stop Microsoft selling it... :-)
Are customers asking for it? Nooooooooooo In fact, they're demanding refunds and loading XP.
At least you have the choice with openSUSE about what you want to install. Even if it's Gnome :-)
What a dismal choice. I'd rather run XFCE.
Anyway, I'm going back to my hole now as I have work to do.
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