That is boxes of the Dvd and Cds, couldn't tell if they were putting a manual in the box. But there *is* a copy of most of the documentation, including the Admin Manual) in a set of pages where one may comment, should one care to do so. Pages , I ,might add, where, should there not be a hard copy included, we could mention, that we would be willing to pay some amount of cash, for one of the Administrator manuals, and perhaps they will get the hint. Or at worst make copies of those manuals available as a sort of "after market" purchase. Novell can likely get help from a neighbor like Xerox to print up paperback copies one at a time if needed. It's lovely, all the things from the detested pictures and not much else , "getting started" type guides thru a manual on AppArmor After all, should one have a problem as I did last night, where the network was not availble.. thanks to the ISP. No way to get to the treeless copies of the manuals. I'd rather pay for the book than pay my Gastro guy for another round of ulcer treatments. ;D -- j -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org