-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed October 4 2006 10:52, Sunny wrote:
The end point is, that IMHO the combination Ximian/Suse is not good for anybody, while every one of them by itself is pretty good in all technical aspects. But looks like too much politics are involved, and in the end of the day both projects may be harmed very bad, which is not good for us as users.
I tend to agree with you on this matter. I don't find any repos/repositories for stuff like GNOME that is officially released by Novell. You can get 3rd party packages - but what about the "official" Novell/Ximian/Gnome packages? I'm using 10.0 (avoided 10.1 after hearing all the laments and complaints). And I realize that there have been some fairly substantial changes between 10.0 and 10.1. However, this doesn't explain why this specific tactic of package availability has changed so much since Novell took control. It was somewhat gradual but now is in full swing and I frankly find it vexing to say the least. I find it particularly ironic that in the early days of SuSE the Gnome offerings were a tad on the slim side (as far as devel of Gnome packages tailored for SuSE distos). But what's up now? I mean Ximian is a Gnome company (or a Novell division now) and they're making packages "specifically" for SuSE. So where are these "official" Novell/Ximian/SuSE packages? Liike I said, you can get packages for usr-local-bin and others (guru, etc..) but it's not the stuff that the devs at Novell made is it? And what happened to RUG, Red-Carpet, etc..? Were they replaced (I'm guessing so - for Xen BLEH)! I'm sure there are others that may have wondered the same thing. Gnome is still GPL isn't it? What, Ximians Gnome efforts are exempt from this? If not - WHERE IS THE STUFF??? Or is it that they won't release any Gnome packages that are in devel and not directly assigned/attributed to a specific release? Consider this. At the OpenSuSE site there are "no" Gnome listing. I can't find anything on the Novell site (though I do admit that there's likely a few on the list that know where to find these - if they actually exist). All you find on the OpenSuSE site are those things that resemble the original SuSE stuff (pre-Novell). These are namely KDE, core packages such as kernels and config packages (aaa packages, etc..). Not a Gnome package in site - and that's the ironic part!!! Considering That Novell (and Ximian - is this a De Acaza thing?) tried to push Gnome as the default desktop I fail to understand why they wouldn't make the Gnome stuff available?!?! If you want to promote something (especially in Open Source) you'd think they would let people kick the tires as it were. I would think they would take the opportunity to make these sorts of stuff available to let people acclimate to it - But Nooooooooooo!!! I hate to say it but I feared that this sort of thing would happen with Novell at the wheel - and it's seems my fears are coming true! Further irony is that certian industry publications are touting Novells Enterprise Desktop and the Gnome interface, yet the core user population (those that helped drag SuSE from the dream into reality) are shut out. I don't understand the suits and likely never will - they can't do things on merit or technical value, they have to make everything political and contriving. Anyone know where Mantel is working - is he doing Slackware or some other distro? :) Just my $0.02. Curtis - -- Spammers Beware: Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again! Like the song say: "Everything's 'Zen'... I don't think so"! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFJAFu7CQBg4DqqCwRAilcAJ0RdJjAp8wdR4EP62ASWTTxzFxiKACgqWwv akil6qMrCReHmhlbusY8orE= =lpdp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----