All good points and from reading your quality feedback help I have high regard for your thoughts. Here is one biggy, I share this machine with my wife and others. We use the CTRL-ALT F[7-?] to switch to different environments. If two people need the machine at one time I use another machine to come in with ssh -X and access whatever I need. With 9.3 only the primary person (first one to login) could have sound. Therefor my wife typically did not hear any sound on the multimedia stuff sent as attachments to email. Now sound works for all people, very cool. Outside of that I don't have any biggies to throw your way. I do know that packman and other engineers prefer to stay with the yellow brick road rather than look backwards. I also have a bias to try and help with my comments any engineers that are attempting to further the state of the art and to be patient with stuff that isn't perfect while trying to sort out how to get it working properly. My software isn't always perfect from the get go so why would I expect others to be perfect. I am able to easily sort through the issues with the update process now with 10 machines and it is easy for my wife to respond to the orange/red Orb and g tolerable while the engineers work hard to make it better. Believe me they have been working very hard to do so and this group seems to be pretty hard on them at times. No I don't work for Novell. In my mind, it is a waste of time threatening to switch to another distro or another update method. Just do it if you need to in my view but otherwise tone down the emotion. I am not pointing to anyone specifically here just having a friendly philosophic expression hopefully. On another note, my new laptop an HP dv5237cl and a friends Lonovo notebook X-41 just installed beautifully on 10.1 recognizing natively the wireless card. It is ok for some people to be happy and others not with a specific release in my view.