Well, That was fun! Anyone else managed to create havoc with their KDE by updating to the latest KDE files? Seems the kdeinit would not start, thus preventing KDE from loading fully. The build that broke things is kdebase3-3.5.4-39.1, which became available today. From what I could tell from the logs, it was trying to run /opt/kde/bin/start_kdeinit, which is no longer there! Something didn't get changed in the /opt/kde/bin/startkde file or something was left out or named wrong. I'll let the SUSE guys explain which. Anyway, the quick fix for the problem was to create a link: ln -s /opt/kde/bin/kdeinit /opt/kde/bin/start_kdeinit I suppose also one could edit the startkde file to change the start_kdeinit line to just kdeinit. Decided on the link for now as I'm sure a fix will be quickly arriving. Hope that helps some other poor unsuspecting sap that gets eager to update their kde files! ;-) regards, Lee