Pascal Bleser wrote:
What makes you say openSUSE isn't open ? I wouldn't say openSUSE is open yet either, but why don't you give us some precise points why you don't think it is ?
Actually, Robert Schiele did it very eloquently in a post yesterday.
But maybe I've found one thing that bothers you - citing you again, from a past mail on this list (http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse/2005-Sep/0517.html): "So we've hit the crux of the problem - which seems pretty critical. Although openSUSE is an "open" project, what goes and what doesn't is still decided by the commercial needs requirements of Novell/SuSE. In many ways also reasonably understandable, but it does beg the question - how open is OpenSUSE really? [...] Note - patches and proposals are only accepted provided they coincide with SuSEs commercial plans and requirements."
Thanks for digging that up, I forgot I wrote it.
Err... ok.. so... it's not the packages. What's it then ?
It could be setup, it could be features, what's supported and what isn't for instance. It could be desktop setup - all sorts of non-package related topics.
Nope, but that's beside the point.
I don't think so. What I just wanted to say is that AFAICR several people on this list have been requesting some packages for inclusion and when having been said "no", they bashed openSUSE for not being "open".
What if those same peopl had offered to also contribute the necessary effort in QA, testing and such - would it have been accepted? Right now, the answer is "no". And that isn't particularly open.
Pascal, all I said was that your statement "that anyone who wants a say in the opensuse product/project management has no clue about it", is wrong and more than a little arrogant.
Product management, to me, means what packages are included in the product "SUSE Linux" (OSS or not). People who have requested packages for inclusion and who got a "no" in return and who say that's not ok, in my opinion, don't have a clue about what they're requesting.
That is more than a little different to what you wrote. You can't expect to me read what you meant instead of what you wrote :-)
have JFS install-support reinstated. I've also suggested how it could be done with no impact whatsoever. However, just getting to talk to the right people and not being turned down by level1&2 staff was just far more hassle than I'm prepared to work with.
Now tell me how that has nothing to do with my previous post and comments about people wanting to influence the product management...?
It's all about openSUSE and how open it is or not. /Per Jessen, Zürich