I just had another thought on this craziness with my video cards. In one of the earlier postings I mentioned that I could not find any evidence that the NVidia driver had been loaded even though I had gotten the driver using the Yast on-line update. I was surprised that this generated so little response given the number of folks who have contributed to this thread. One post asked me to check a config file (xorg?? -- sorry, I can't remember) and in doing so I found there was no mention in that file of either NVidia or nv. In addition my monitor was identified as generic VESA. No mention of the brand name (Viewsonic). When I went back to check the on-line update in Yast the option to get the NVidia driver was no longer there. So I assumed this meant that the driver had been downloaded and installed, even if I could find no evidence of that fact. Now, is that something we should review again and reconsider? Another thing.... I do not know enough about hardware to know if the 2nd card I tried uses NVidia drivers. (Sorry if this is a stupid question.) If the 2nd card did not require the NVidia driver then we have evidence of two different kinds (chipsets) of PCI video cards not working. On the other hand, if both cards do require the NVidia driver and if that driver was never really installed despite my telling Yast to install it, have I been running in circles with no hope of getting those cards working right? Sorry if all of that rambles and is a bit incoherent. :o) I reinstalled 9.3 last night (another absolutely clean install). Should I try to download the NVidia driver again and see if this time it actually gets installed? And if yes, which file do I check to confirm that it's really installed? Thx! Gil