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Re: [SLE] new v9.2 is out
  • From: Jonathan Brooks <jonathan.brooks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:55:38 +0100 (BST)
  • Message-id: <20041009105538.BD67E2A0E9@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
In message <1097316714.18581.39.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> "Jerome R.
Westrick" <jerry@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 09:11, peter Nikolic wrote:
> > On Saturday 09 Oct 2004 04:56, John Boyle wrote:
> > > Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > > >John,
> > > >
> > > >On Friday 08 October 2004 18:15, Allen wrote:
> > > >>On Friday 08 October 2004 21:09, John Boyle wrote:
> > > >>>....
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>Too late - Netscape's dead. Oh, were we talking about SuSE?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>...
> > > >>>
> > > >>>To ALL: If Netscape's dead, then what am I replying to you on?
> > > >>>Secondly, you cannot use IE on Linux, so which is it that is dead? I
> > > >>>wish you people that keep on lying about Netscape or Mozilla, would
> > > >>>just go away to stay on MSFT!!! >:o
> > > >>
> > > >>Actually, you can use IE on Linux with WINE. I've seen it.
> > > >
> > > >And actually, Netscape _is_ dead. Just 'cause Netscape (i.e., AOL) puts
> > > >its name on Mozilla doesn't mean it's a distinct piece of software.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Randall Schulz
> > >
> > > To Randall Schulz et al: AOL dropped out of Mozilla/Netscape a long time
> > > ago, that is why the overal organization is called "Mozilla.org"! Why
> > > not search for that sometime before any flame wars start? Which I hope
> > > they have not, and I can say I use Netscape on both WIN98SE and SuSe
> > > Linux 9.0! I have nothing with AOL associated with it! :-D
> >
> > Never mind all the argy bargy arguments folks how many have actuall
> > committed to purchasing 9.2 in november ..?.
> >
> > pete.
> >
>
> I buy a full version of Pro, every release (2 times year).
> I like Suse, cause they straddle the very fine line between the bleeding
> edge and stability. It's not an easy balancing act, and some releases
> are more problematicall than others.
>
>
> Here some facts as I see them:
>
> - 9.1 was the first release to include the 2.6 kernel.
> - 9.1 was the most problematical release in a long long time.
> - I have 1 production server using 9.1, and 3 using 9.0
> - SuSE includes over 1000 programs preconfigured
> - SuSE updates these packages with security updates, for 2 years.
> - SuSE provides me with automatic update tools (YOU).
>
> Some things SuSE cannot do:
>
> SuSE cannot reconfigure/test every Beta and/or release of every
> opensource project in the world.
>
> SuSE cannot support each version indefinatetly.
>
>
>
> Now if you find SuSE too close to the bleeding edge, (the jist of this
> thread), you got a couple of choices:
>
> 1- Go buy SLES. That is what it is there for, stability!
> 2- Stay away from initial releases.
> 3- Use another Distro that is more conservative.
>
> If you find SuSE to conservative, you probably don't need a Distro!
>
> Now I think SuSE is doing a great Job.
> I think the *only* mistake they did in 9.1 was to call it <dot>1
> the release is definatetly a <dot>0 release as the first with the
> new kernel, with all of the new kernel problems.
>
> Every thing else SuSE cleaned out with the wash.
>
> Now, what SuSE alloed me to do was install 2.6 kernel and KDE 3.2 in
> production which I feel is important, (since I can leave it there longer
> than if I had installed 2.4 and KDE 3.1). I have a client
> already asking about KDE 3.3!
>
> Now I realise that some people have had alot of problems with 9.1.
> I had enough of them my self, that is what the bleeding Edge is about.
>
> If I didn't want the problems I would have waited for the <dot>2
> release, if my clients and I didn't want all the new features and
> advantages.
>
> IMHO SuSE has been doing a great job, is doing great job, and I hope
> they will continue to do so...
>
> Jerry
>
> BTW. Chalking the 9.1 release problems to the Novel buy out is really
> unfair. SuSE is always the first Distro out with the new kernels, and
> this whole situation is not new. And to say that SuSE rushed it is also
> unfair, 9.0 was supposed have the 2.6 kernel, but SuSE decided it had
> too many problems and released 9.0 with a 2.4 kernel, and an
> experimental 2.6 kernel. (this is where the <dot>0 went).
>
Well said - can we shut this thread now - it's getting v boring.

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Jonathan Brooks (Ph.D.) Research Assistant
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