Hi, To add to this discussion, I use an XP based PC with Photoshop to print pictures all the time on an Epson Stylus 2200 which does a great job. I adjust my monitor using the Pantone Spyder which does a great job building color profiles for the monitor that also work with Photoshop. It would be really nice to have a LINUX based tool that would do the same thing for use with programs like GIMP. IMHO, I really like the SyncMaster line of Samsung monitors (I have several of the 955DF models) that have extremely tight resolution and appear to have pretty nice color reproduction. I really like the Epson 2200 printer, but I have also owned/used the Canon 9000 series ink jets and they do a remarkable job. My only complaint about the Canon is that it 1) didn't offer inks with the archival qualities of the Epson inks and 2) didn't have available a bulk ink system as is available for the Epson printer. My two cents.... Dave -----Original Message----- From: Doug McGarrett [mailto:dmcgarrett@optonline.net] Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 5:12 PM To: suse-linux-e Subject: Re: [SLE] monitors--comment, not answer At 03:32 PM 4/24/2004 +0100, Vince Littler wrote:
On Saturday 24 April 2004 7:37 am, Fred Miller wrote:
Is there any software that will calibrate a monitor available for Linux, so that you can more closely match what is seen on screen to what is printed?
Thanks,
Fred
Hi Fred
I think that the answer will be that even if there is such a utility, you are likely to be disappointed with the outcome, unless you have a really bad printer.
Just for fun, I tried in Win NT, years ago, to set the screen background to the same colour as the wall in my office. It was difficult, but on 24 bit colour I got very close, although a difference of 1 or 2 on a colour co-ordinate in 24 bit colour was noticeably wrong or different. Half an hour later, it looked all wrong. At night under artificial light, it was well wrong. I don't think NT or the monitor were drifting either.
The explanation which satisfies me is that the monitor emits light at set absolute levels. The wall reflects whatever light it is given as relative levels on all 3 colour coordinates - relative to the colour balance of the incoming light which changes from hour to hour and between direct and indirct natural light and artificial light.
Through evolutionary adaptation, we are adapted to varying incoming light and compensate for it, so that we see things which reflect light according mostly to the reflection co-efficients of the reflecting surface. ie, we filter out the variations in incoming light. With an experiment like mine with the wall and the monitor, something must give, and the monitor is perceived to be wrong, when 1] it isn't and 2] there is no way to put it 'right'.
all the best
Vince
Vince, I must disagree with you. Magazines and books with color are put together with computers (mostly Macs) and for those computers there _is_ adjustable software, which will make the monitor reproduce the source material accurately, and will cause the print engine (whatever it is) to print the same colors, all within some reasonable tolerance. (You probably have to work in a room with invariable lighting.) Such software is far from free--the last time I looked (around 10 years ago) it was in the $500 and up range. I don't know whether it has come down since, or not. Since I am not in the printing business, I never pursued this at all, but there is surely s/w now for Windows which will do essentially the same thing, since so many people are using digital cameras now. I have seen some rather good digital photos reproduced on color printers. Epson seems to have the edge in that regard. However, if you jam up the ink nozzles on an Epson, you may have to throw it out. Whereas, the HP ink-jets replace the nozzles with the ink. BTW, there will always be some error, especially in the monitor, since the monitor runs on an RGB (red/green/blue) system, at least if it's a CRT, and a good modern printing system, such as a print shop or an advanced ink-jet would use, uses CMYK, (cyan/magenta/yellow/black) which doesn't map exactly to RGB, and of course, the monitor has no true black at all. AFAIK, LCD displays also use RGB, but may have a better black due to the nature of the screen. DO NOT try and adjust color with the monitor. Use the software. However, in spite of the objections above, almost all monitors have a "factory default" position, as, I believe Windows does, to get back to square 1 if you goof it up too badly. --doug -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com