Sorry SuSE has always work for my. But I did build my box just for linux? maybe you need to look at your hardware or try to reinstall On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 00:38, c_nelson77 wrote:
A reply to everyone mostly.
First thing, about the people telling me that if I want to be bleeding edge, that it costs something. That is the whole thing. I do not want to be bleeding edge. I just want some things to work. an IM client that can't IM anyone, doesn't work. But having to upgrade to KDE 3.2 because of dependencies . . .
I am paying someone to do stuff. Every time I have called, the problem is outside the support boundary. There are issues w/ linux. SuSE claims to be "the" desktop. However, I don't see it. It was working great, untill I need to get a new version of some small piece of software, that ends up being a huge task.
About paying someone to make the RPM's, I am. Thats why I buy SuSE. I have 7.2, 8.0, and 9.0.(I have also bought RH 5.0,5.2,6.0,6.1; Corel 1.0; MD 7.2?) The 5 most important things I do with a desktop for me are Web, E-Mail, IM clients, Star Office, and network(internet and samba). And I do use konopixx STD on my laptop w/ 1 gig HD w/o problems, because I never need to upgrade software. I also have no problem w/ Solaris w/ patchadd and the like. ;)
About the sound. The problems I am talking about are:
- Sounds seam to forget to play quite often.
- Apps don't play well when more than 1 app using sound at a time.(listening to MP3 and ksirc or gaim message comes in)
- Others in the suse@irc.freenode.com claim it is just how sound is in linux.
About the RPM being broken, I'm talking about what it claims to be, and reality. What it's claims were, are basically not having to worry about dependencies. And that is what I am frustrated at. Dealign with all the dependencies. I have to deal with them when I do ./configure;make;make install. And it is sometimes worse, having to make room to install all the source + the new binaries, etc. Ideally. I would love rpm to work across more than distro/version of linux. Is that really to hard? And when I mentioned registry, I didn't' mean exactly what MS has, but a more robust and functional rpm. Where it would help fill in the blanks to make an RPM work on more than one little distros release.
This letter was mostly a rant. I was frustrated and wanted to vent at something besides my poor wall ;). Because I just wanted a newer version of some small apps, and it ends up being a huge ordeal, and this is a very common occurance. Obviously it looks like I pissed off some people who do not like people talking bad about their precious linux.
I will look into Debian/Gentoo, but people wont be making money if all of SuSE's desktop answers are that.
-Cody
P.S. If anyone thinks I am wrong, then why not prove it by showing me the better way? I think I asked for a better way if anyone knew it?
On Tuesday 17 February 2004 19:45, Adalberto Castelo wrote:
On Tuesday 17 February 2004 14:53, c_nelson77 wrote:
Ok here is a little(BIG) Rant I have w/ Linux/SUSE, actualy 5 . .
- Why do I have to upgrade the entire system just to get a new version of an app? k3b, gaim, etc? I upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0 just so I can have
You don't have to. Go ahead and upgrade only the applications you want. Download the source, compile and install it. What's that? You don't want to do it yourself? You want SuSE to do it for you?! Ahh, sure, just pay them money for the next release...
working apps. I can't even easily upgrade KDE to 3.2 using SuSE provided RPM's because it requires that I have already upgraded my KDE outside of what SUSE provides me? wtf? All I want is a working app like k3b, gaim, mozilla, kmail, etc. I don't care about the 1000000's of dependancies.
- Why can I not upgrade the majority of thigns with YOU? Thank god someone I'm not paying is providing updates via http://packman.links2linux.org/ and http://www.usr-local-bin.org/ . beleave it or not, but I bought 9.0 for 2 reasons. Using a non broken versions of an IM client (GAIM), and cd burning software(k3b).
You didn't have to, all you had to do is go download those apps somewhere and install them. Oh, wait. You can't do it, I forgot. I guess you'll have to pay someone then.
- Why is KDE & apps so slow? Yes I said slow. 384 ram, 9g 10k scsi hd, matrox g400, AMD 850. And is is slower than XP on a 600mhz vodoo3 3000, 256 ram system. Slow, meaning windows to come up, heck yast takes longer to come up than word on windows!
XP? X-Men? X-files? Huh?
- What is the deal with the f-d up sound? Many diff soudn cards are broken, and from talking with others in linux, they all are. Example. KSirc, Gaim, and listening to mp3's or watchign a movie, game, etc. Does not work. Heck gaim sounds by itself bearly works. Most of the time, sounds do not get played. And people tell me thats normal linux sound. (right now, using a SB AWE 64, ISA(have used built in sound, santa cruze, sb 16, aureal) Something MS has had no problems with since NT.
Buddy, if you were so happy with NT, why the heck are you using SuSE?
- Umm hellow? Why bother to provide a broken GAIM? Yes, it is broken, yahoo, icq, and msn do not work on anything that ancient. Heck if i rememebr right, gaim .7x was out before SuSE 9.0. Sorry but kopete is ugly as hell, and doesn't do basic things. Why bother making it, just help make gaim (or other) work better.
SuSE doesn't make GAIM. Nor kopete.
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P.P.S. RPM doesn;t work, linux needs a registry (excluding saved settings/info from apps) where 1 RPM many linux distros, mandy versions. You get this on thing working like this, it will be far easier makign things "Just Work".
... I have no words ...
PPPS, never use resierfs. horrible support. has no way to deal with bad blocks. Even dos has that.
PPPPS sorry for all the post scripts.
PSs are the least of your problems, pal...
Now, the only sincere piece of advice I have for you. In Linux you have to opt. If you want stability and easy of use, what you do is you go to a distro where there are a bunch of smart guys testing things and making sure they work and simplifying the whole process for you. Now, if you want bleeding edge, pick a distro that puts enphasis on bleeding edge, not SuSE. It may not be as stable, and usually the responsability for keeping the system working well is more yours the theirs. Suggestion: gentoo seems like a great distro for you, in that aspect. I've been seriously considering it for a second machine.
Good luck.
john bright <jhb01_suse@adelphia.net>