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OTOH, the nature of Linux is that there are going to be users who don't want *ANY* handholding - and they are the current core Linux users.
Well, your right. Though many of the gui oriented are coming to Linux/SuSE as is evident by the increase of the nature of the posts that I've seen over the last 3 years. (which also makes one wonder how many ex-windblowers aren't using the list because of the mind set that permeates this group in the belief that , like windows, they're on their own and don't subscribe or think that this is a geek only list and are intimidated).
Ideally, we need to accomodate both. Installation options to choose the type of user would be useful. I do disagree that the default should be to turn off the handholding, however. The type of user that is knowledgeable enough not to need this handholding can easily choose to turn it off. The normal person migrating from Windows may not be comfortable changing options.
I was a Window convert. No clue about Nix or the shell/command line environment/mentality. I have learned alot and now find that I ofter revert to the command line over a gui when I want to get down to core issue, see output on failures or to see output to find options. I have had to, out of necessity, do installs in command line/ncurses. What I'm trying to point out is that I, as a relative noob, have become quit familiar with many command line ways of doing things. So, I don't see how someone well versed and comfortable with this can't find an install method that suits them. Boot from the 2nd cd, go to expert method, and a couple of other options that are available. When I beta test I did both methods. I found that since the gui install messsage doesn't have the option for the command line/ncurse method jump out at you, one had to actually look/read for it. I think just as the gui minded are thrown off by the command line/ncurses environment, perhaps the shell/console minded are also thrown off - just perhaps. They see the gui, aren't comfortabe with it, and therefore perhaps they presume that they don't have an options. This is the way of windows and I could see some admins that have had to deal with a M$ server install having this experience and thinking "great now what". Just a thought/observation. At the present track of the gui installer development that SuSE is doing, I will literally be able to throw a set of SuSE discs and a formatted and unused set of hdd's setup in a machine and have my Mother install it. And I think this is the right direction to go for the general public. I strongly agree, however, that the gurus and stanch penguinistas should "always" have a means/method of going the route they now best and are more comfortable with. Losing this would be as silly as not having a gui installer in the first place. I mean do your really need an Xserver to setup most servers on the farm? Cheers, Curtis. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+rJ/o7WVLiDrqeksRAupHAJ93ZsEUVwzhbbndYF8x+73Xwmy7OACcCQiV zz+bEKmNUU1+igIXRDpKqxU= =nVaT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----