Well, I've had 2 complete system freezes in the last 30 minutes. I guess I'm glad I have reiserFS formatted drives. I've tried the suggestions about the bios and the NIC card that the list provided and they appeared to work for 2 days. Today however the system froze while cutting/pasting a URL from mutt then after a reboot and restart of the xterms and mozilla that I needed. It simply froze after typing mutt. The program didn't even start before it froze. I took the advice of several people and checked the IRQ's in the bios. They were all set to auto, so I set PCI slots 1,2 and 3 to IRQ's 9,10, and 11 while leaving PCI slots 4/5 as auto since I have nothing plugged into these slots. I replaced the 3Com Vortex TX100 card with an SMC card model "[SMC] EtherPower II 10/100" because some though that the 3Com driver was the culprit in this situation. I now think it's not. My 8.1 box is completely up to date as far as patches for 8.1. I'm really at my wits end with this freezing crap. If I can't fix it soon. I guess I'll have no choice but to revert back to 8.0 and it's 700+ megs of patches. At least it worked fine. If anyone has any suggestions at this point I'll try them. I've attached a plain text file called hw which is the output of hwinfo --all. If anyone sees anything weird about the output then please let me know. Other wise I will have to find another solution to this. This machine ran 7.1, 7.3 and 8.0 without a problem so I know it's not the machine. The CPU isn't overheating..I have huge CoolerMaster CPU fan/heat that has it cooled to 55-57C which is well within Athlon/Duron specs. I just frankly have no damn clue what's up with this anymore. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.