* Carl (quantum@ultra2k.com) [020613 07:19]: ::On Thursday 13 June 2002 08:04, you wrote: ::> It never ceases to amaze me that every time a .0 release comes out, someone ::> will load it on a server, and scream because it's not as stable as their ::> old .3 release was. :: :: ::So in your opinion, a .0 release being defective is a foregone conclusion? :: ::That's a shame. We used to call those "beta" releases. :: :: ::And you feel that 8.0 is strictly for playing around with, and not for ::production? :: ::I wish Suse had made that clear before I bought it. :: :: ::Look, I'm trying to be as even-handed as I can, given what this has cost me. What usually happens with .0 releases is that new features are intergrated...major changes are done and that's just the norm. A bit of advice I would give you. If you have a stable machine and it's not a security risk. DO NOT CHANGE IT. You can update the kernel if you need to for a feature need..if you don't need a new feature and there are no security risks...DON'T DO IT. I'm still running 7.2 at work because it suites my needs...and 7.3 at home because it suites my needs. You should always wait at least 30 days before getting to involved with a new release of anything unless it's a security risk fix. You should always watch for bug fixes in that timeframe because there will be fixes I can make a bet on that and win. With something as complicated as a Linux distribution that has over 2500+ pkgs and being a .0 release..w/ lots of underlying changes. I knew there would be some issues. You can't get upset for because of your newbie system admin attitude. It's unbecoming to whine about the fact that you weren't causious about upgrading production systems. And 8.0 isn't for playing around with anymore then 7.3 was..but I can say this.. I waited 5 weeks to go from 7.1 to 7.3 because there are ALWAYS things that aren't caught with this much software in such a complex system. After about 5 weeks of seeing patches released and watching the problems of people such as your self. I downloaded all the updates I needed and upgraded to 7.3 then applied the patches. I've had 7.3 running since with NO issues. It's simply a case of experience..I've found this method to work when dealing with Solaris as well.. Cheers! And calm down..go back to 7.3 for a bit..wait for the fixes you need and then put it on a test box. When your satisfied that it fits your needs..then upgrade. Simple. Regards, -=Ben --=====-----=====-- mailto:ben@whack.org --=====-- If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little. -GC --=====-----=====--