Loki gave demos and where are they???!!!! The personal version is $30 .. I spend more then $30 on Lattes a month. We really should get over this free bullshit mentality. You can't get an .iso of XP or anything else for that matter from MS..so WHY HELL should you get a copy of SuSE's hardwork for free. You can go to buildyourownlinux.org and try all that stuff yourself. This I want to try it for free. I want this for free shite is what got Loki Chapter 11 then Chapter 7. I don't know about you but I'm REALLY pissed off that I won't have many more Linux native games for quite some time. I bought every SuSE distribution from 5.0 to 6.4 and I've bought 7.2 and 7.3. You can bitch, moan and complain all you want. You won't change my mind. -> ->and what exactly are those that want to try suse out but dont want to ->invest in because they dont know if they are going to like it or not suppost ->to do? And what about those that are shit ass broke suppost to do? -> ->They move on to other distros. And SuSE looses a potential customer -> ->You mean to tell me that you want to sit there and watch SuSE lose potential ->coustomers everyday?? Someone on this list made a very good suggestion: ->Have ISO's but keep them a version or two behind the current. -> ->My fight here, is not totaly 100% personal, if it was 100% personal then I woulda ->shut up along time ago. I talk to lots of people on irc in and out of linux channels ->that would love to try SuSE, but dont for the simple fact that SuSE doesnt have ->ISO's. and they dont know how to do a package by package download and they ->dont know how to install from an ftp. These are the people I fight for. -> ->And as for the decision to remove the ISO's from the ftp was infact for development costs ->But I see this hurting them more in the long run then what its gonna help them. -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around the more I think it might not be a bad thing." -JC