Ben and others, I am getting some response on my site www.penguinfriendly.org you are correct about a lot of web designers, also remember some do not have time to check every browser, so they stick with the main one and throw in Netscape just because... So the site has already begun to help, if only in a small. All they have to do is check for responses. Feel free to say whatever :-). Matt -- "The only thing complex about Linux are the users themselves." On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Terence McCarthy (saki@cwcom.net) [010608 04:41]: ->On Friday 08 June 2001 07:48, Ralf Corsepius wrote: -> ->> [1] konqueror should learn to appear as NS, IE or Mozilla and this ->> particular problem is gone. -> ->So are you saying that Linux browsers should give in to the M$ established ->status quo by becoming M$ emulator? -> ->If you are, I think that this is a dangerous path to follow. What would be ->next, word processing packages always playing catch-up to M$ Word?
Well, I would mention to you that my wife worked for Organic in San Francisco. They have done such sites as Macy's.com, Washington Mutual Bank's site, Chrysler, Bloomingdales, Bank of Montreal along with British Telecom ...and scores of other fortune 1000 sites. I can tell you from talking to the people in the design/web dev department that they wouldn't support Konqueror unless a customer paided them to do so. They support IE and make it work for Netscape because they have to. Many bitched and wished Netscape would just die already. Web Developers for the most part these days are damn near computer illiterate..they just make pretty pictures. It took Wells Fargo (my bank) almost 5 months to support Netscape 6 on their site..until a few days ago. It would reject you as having an unsupported browser.
We can educate these people that Mozilla and Konqueror support the same things that IE does and that it works just great with ssl connections and will display 99% of what they code, but until then..to punish the users by not letting them have the choice whether to do it site by site or hardcode just one user agent into the browser smacks of "elite, I'm a computer geek and out to change the world..no matter what" thinking. It's just wrong. Users that want to use Linux w/ Konqueror for all their daily needs, yet can't because they get rejected on sites that we know damn well Konq can display is just wrong. It's about choice. If I choose to put an IE face mask onto Konq because it's less of a hassle for me for now..it's my choice. If you change the user agent for a certain site to IE because it works..WTF is the difference between that and having it just tell all sites that it's IE. The web stat's for the site you changed it for will still report IE..and we have gained nothing accept that we have to do it site by site which is a pain in the ass.
Just my 1/2 awake 0.02 -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin
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