On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 05:18:48PM -0400, Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO wrote:
That is a bold statement my friend.
And you are clearly trolling this list. If you think SuSE sucks, go find another distribution that makes you happy. It's an open source world. We don't need to hear this crap.
Sorry - this is not a bold statement any more than bold than linux itself. SuSe better start understanding this if it ever wants to be a first class system.
SuSE is a first class system. I've played with a bunch of distributions. SuSE is the only one you can set up and have a functioning system at the end of the day.
I compile 1-2 kernels a day, without any problems whatsoever.
Yah Know what - I've been compiling kernels since 2.0.12
Maybe 1000 times I've compiled kernels on RH, Slackware, Strorm, Debian and SuSe.
Apparently that's not enough.
This compile DOES NOT WORK because the sysv init system and the kernel module is SCREWED....(as hinted at in the docs). module.conf was invisible to the 7.0 system with a hand compile and the initiation system was screwed with the RPM's...problbly secondary to PAM or the location of the files?
The compile works fine. I am now running 2.4.3 under 7.1. I built kernels from 2.3.x test on up under 7.0. Sometimes I had problems, but it sure wasn't SuSE's fault, and I have enough sense to understand that.
AND BTW - mod-ulits? Where waas that under the 7.0 tree in yast?
If you can't find in 7.0, which is reasonable, since SuSE 7.0 wasn't made for 2.4 kernels, get the source. And as others have pointed out, update modutils as well. But apparently that's too hard for you. So I have an even easier idea. You could upgrade to SuSE 7.1, but you know what? I'd really rather you didn't. I'd rather you went to Red Hat. Make sure you upgrade to Red Hat 8.0 when it comes out and then you can complain to the Red Hat lists about what a wonderful distribution it is, especially if they pull another wonder like the one they pulled with gcc.
Aside which YAST is also largely broken.....
More evidence that you are merely trolling this list. YaST is fine. I've been through YaST so many ways it's mind boggling. Occasionally you run into something it just does wrong, and I hate it's speed. But it works, 99% of the time, which beats the hell out of every other distribution packaging tool I've tested. Um yes, I should point out that I've tested distributions. I tested them on different machines to certify them. When they didn't work, I had to make them work. I have an even better idea for you than Red Hat. Why don't you try Turbolinux or, even better, Caldera.
BTW - I don't think 7.1 installed the new Firewall or Forwarding tools to deal with iptables..... I'm still investigating.
7.1 comes with a firewall script. It still uses ipchains, which can be supported if you enable ipchains support in the 2.4 kernel configuration. Obviously, SuSE's 2.4 kernel includes this option.
And you are free to compile your kernel anytime -- you just loose the ability to get installation support.
Screw that - that is flat out no right of SUSE and is PART of the problem....Changing the oil shouldn't invalidate the agreement... especially when there is a SECURITY HOLE in the 7.0 Kernel
SuSE has every right. They aren't charging enough even to cover the cost of producing their distribution, let alone all the contributions they've made to the open source community (ReiserFS, 3D video drivers, and USB all come to mind, and somebody is welcome to tell me I don't know the half of it), or the security upgrades. As someone else has explained, when you buy a distribution, you're buying their best effort to build a bunch of programs and configure them in such a way that they'll run. SuSE has fewer segmentation faults than any other distribution I've seen. I have an even better idea for you. Roll your own distribution. For information, see http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ and get an idea of what's involved. After you've gone through all that, then you can tell me what a piece of crap SuSE is. But not before. -- David Benfell benfell@parts-unknown.org --- Resume available at http://www.parts-unknown.org/resume.html