From: "Timothy R. Butler"
From: Timothy R. Butler [mailto:tbutler@uninetsolutions.com] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 7:37 PM To: Jonathan Wilson; SuSE Mailing List Subject: RE: [SLE] SuSE Needs a "Guru Edition"! (was RE: [SLE] Upgrade worth it?)
Glad to hear someone else feels the same way! It seems especially critical for SuSE to realize the need for this since broadband is becoming increasingly popular, and those of us who don't need $50 added to the price tag for books and support will be more likely to download in the future _unless_ there is a cheaper version with all of the power.
Just my $0.02...
-Tim
PS: I believe I might signup for broadband soon, so I'll be all set for downloading it. However, as I said, if there was a cheap version with 6-CD's (what, less than $0.10 a piece) and a DVD without support or a manual - I'd pay for it. Anyone at SuSE or other users who feel the same?
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-----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Wilson [mailto:wilson@claborn.net] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:15 AM To: tbutler@uninetsolutions.com Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Needs a "Guru Edition"! (was RE: [SLE] Upgrade worth it?)
Same here! I'd buy every single version if it would fall to $40 or less. And I use the books less and less all the time, in fact I hardly ever look at them now. They should just make the book available online on their web site.
JW
Hi Tosi,
You don't think half a thought ? What of FOUR books ? For the price of SuSE Linux 7.0 Pro I get *ONE* book "for idiots" on Linux. What of the work of making a
But, I don't need four books. That's fine, but I don't feel like shelling out $30 extra bucks every 4 months when all I want is the CD's. But, I have no choice, the upgrade is just $10 less than the full thing at retail, and that savings would be taken by the shipping and handling. Personally, for power users, I think SuSE should take RedHat's old "Powertools" idea, and offer a version that is just 6-cds and 1 DVD, and perhaps a few page booklet that fits in the product's jewel case. Then stamp something between $20-$35 on the case and call it "SuSE 7.1 Guru Edition" or something
The fact is, I wouldn't mind buying ever single version of SuSE, but I won't do it for $60-$70 a wack. However, if SuSE had that "Guru Edition", SuSE probably would probably have a higher profit margin on that version than the Pro edition (since it lacks manuals and support), and they would also sell more to "SOHO" users like myself. Infact, I probably won't buy another copy of SuSE as it stands for at least a year and a half [can't justify $70 for small upgrades], but I'd gladly pay $25, say, for every version of the bookless version. Another benefit for SuSE on such a version would be the fact that Broadband is increasingly popular. If I had broadband I would be inclined to just download SuSE, but I still might ***buy*** it if it's going for $25.
Just my $0.02...
-Tim
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USER-FRIENDLY install- process ? That takes a large amount of work, and does cost a lot of money if you're paying someone to do it for you. And what about a supportline ? Slackware has to my knowledge NONE, and neither do *BSD ( not counting usenet and post-lists ) I think SuSE are walking in the middle of that narrow yellow-brick road between rough-cut ( Slackware etc ) and overpriced ( RedHat ), and doing so with style.
-tosi
-----Original Message----- From: Timothy R. Butler [mailto:tbutler@uninetsolutions.com] Sent: 11. október 2000 22:24 To: SuSE Mailing List Subject: RE: [SLE] Upgrade worth it?
Hi there, I thought I'd add a little something into my rant from last week. FreeBSD is not only cheaper but comes with 2,000 packages (the extra 6 CD's) on top of the main distribution packages (first 4 CD's). Now, I can't attest to the quality or the ease-of-use of FreeBSD, nor would I want to switch from Linux, but that means two of the "other" guys (FreeBSD along with Slackware) both offer comparable amounts of stuff for less money. And, if ease of use is the excuse, once again, look at Windows ME Quick Jump for Windows 98 at just $49 (at stores).
I'll quit ranting for now, but I still can't understand why SuSE is suddenly worth so much more (30-40 $ is a big big hike)...
Still ranting at the fact that open source ain't cheap any more...
-Tim
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-----Original Message----- From: Timothy R. Butler [mailto:tbutler@uninetsolutions.com] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:11 PM To: SuSE Mailing List Subject: [SLE] Upgrade worth it?
Hi again, I know, I know, I'm posting about the Upgrade pricing (again), but I was wondering if the Upgrade situation will improve. I noticed that on the web site, SuSE Pro 7.0 Upgrade is $49.95 plus Shipping and Handling, however I've seen the full release for only ten bucks more ($59). As you can figure, if you buy the full one for $59 at the store, you aren't going to save much (if any) buying the upgrade for $49 + S&H. So my question is, once SuSE realizes that the upgrade's price isn't saving anybody anything, and comes with _less_ than the full release, will they make the price more sensible? Before when I asked about prices, I know it was my opinion vs. someone else's, but I don't understand this. I'm sure SuSE _knew_ that most stores would charge at least $10 less than MSRP (as usual), and yet they priced the upgrade high enough that it is virtually useless to even offer here. Did anyone else notice this?
I might add, usually upgrades are a substantial price difference. If nothing else, it would be nice if each version came with a coupon to upgrade for $30-$40 to the next release (when released). That way new customers would pay the full price, but loyal buy-every-version customers would get a deal.
Case and point:
MS Windows Millenium Edition ARP (Average Retail Pricing): $189 MS Windows Millenium Edition Upgrade ARP: $89.95 MS Windows Millenium Edition Quick Jump ARP: $49.95
As you can see, since Windows 98 to ME's features were nearly the same (similar to how SuSE 6.4 and 7.0 are nearly the same, from what I hear), Microsoft offered Windows 98 users (loyal buy-every-version customers) a really cheap version. Quick Jump retails for 1/4 of the full version's price, and nearly 1/2 of even the upgrade's price. While it can be said this is different, it is not. Microsoft sees that the difference between 98 and ME isn't enough to get everyone to pay even $89 for it, so they offer customers who have bought 98 or 98 SE a cheaper version. To me, this is ideal for Linux distros too, since generally there is little version-to-version change, but slow accumulative change. Enclosing an offer, as I said before, allowing say 6.4 users-only to go to 7.0 for say $29-$39 would be great.
Just my $0.02, adding up to over $1.00 since I've already
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$0.02 on the issue...
-Tim
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