At 04:28 PM 7/10/2000 -0500, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
No its not native , it needs wine to run , which just adds in another layer , and adds to the inefficency of it. If it were linux native you would not
Layers - a problem? Isn't UNIX the operating system of layers? Windows
has just
one layer. Layers aren't bad, they make Linux modular!
need wine , just fire it up.
No I did not know there was a diffrence between winelib and wine. Thanks for letting me know about the them.
Samy, you do know there is a difference between winelib and wine, right? Winelib apps run by "just firing it up" (as you put it), where as those using Wine are true Windows apps (i.e. they still work in Windows, and are compiled to run in Windows).
All I said was the I prefer linux native , but that currently with the P150/166 machines I have on hand , its downright slow to run WPO200 under wine. I wont bother trying photoshop , as its not somnething that I use .
I was refering to the new corel photshope clone or what ever it was that was just put on there web. Thats what started this thread.
Adobe Photoshop? Unless I've missed something, Photoshop is a Windows and Mac app only (Photoshop and Photo-Paint are different - did you mean Corel
has the resources to go out and but 5 to 10 PIII or Athalon system , just to get the MGHT up past 400. Yep I know that the amd K6 are now considered budget , but I am not going to throw in new motherboards and cpu into these machines. When We replace the high end amd K6 II with some thing better , then those can trick down and replace the P166s on hand. Then maybee We will check out wine agien , till then , its too slow on the hardware thats on hand.
No I am not expecting shere speed out of them wiuth linux. But to tell you the truth , they run a lot better with linux , and the apps tend to run better on linux , so much so , that you can often use lower end machines to run it on linux and you will get the same prefrmance as you would ru nning win98 on higher end hardware.
Have you considered it's just a slow processor? K6's never were known for there speed, and P166's are getting old. However, you seem to expect sheer speed from
Nope , a slow proicessor is the 486 , compared with the pentuim. Our last 486 finaly died six months or so ago. We were going to use it as a firwall/ipmasq box till it died. Not thats being done on a P100 with 16 meg ram and Freecso. Works like a champ.
them if you don't use Windows 98 on them just because it is slow on them. Let me tell you, Windows is quite usable on a P100, so I think you might just be expecting to much from an old processor.
I have found by my experiance that linux uns a lot more stable than win 95/8. I can eveen use the p150/166s that we still ahve for basic office use.They are very usable with linux and preferably linux native apps. ie applixware runs a lot better than corel office. Netscape is a bit slow. But we dont use nbetscape a lot on these boxes. Hopefully they will be phased out in six months or so. Who knowa , would be nice to have a firewall with gui ! Naaa , to M$ like , skipp the gui on the firewall.
-Tim
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It *is* a Linux native version. Every single byte of the app and it's libraries was compiled on a Intel Linux machine using (I assume) gcc. It's not emulated, it's not relinked on the fly, it's not fudged in any way. How do *you* define "native"?
each app needs to load/use its own version of wine , than thati is a maitinence issue thaat could get thorny if there are several diffrent apps that need diffrent versions of wine/winelib. I would hoipe that they would only need a diffrent wine configuration file.
If that's the case it will be a problem. I don't see why it should be the case though. Once Winelib gets to version 1.0, that's what everyone will use. While it's in alpha, and the products are in beta, its too early to tell. Corel have jumped the gun a bit, and may have to issue patches, but they are right in there with the Winelib developers so I reckon they know what they are doing.
Basicly if its an app that I realy need and is not avialable as a linux native app , I will considur using it under wine , but only if it realy
I don't think I would ever run anything under Wine. It's just too slow at startup (when it does its dynamic relink thing) and I'm not convinced it'll ever be stable enough.
bunch of P166/150s still in use , and with wine I take a significan preformance hit. Linux native is the way to go. Hopefull thaat issue will
Programs running with Winelib are slower than those running with gtk or Qt, etc, it's true. But they do tend to do a lot more (call it bloat if you like). If your hardware isn't up to it, run another program. If you really need an app upgrade your hardware. This is hardly a new concept. On a 650mhz laptop with 128MB of RAM both Photopaint and Toppage are perfectly usable, and as WInelib matures it'll get better.
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