if you just wanna see how buggy winders really is, just run the debugger called softice in the background and see just how many times winders encounters an error...... i have had several times a day run into error just launching programs to where i had to reboot the system cause softice would catch it and i wasnt able to debug it... For protecting some of your Privacy while surfing the net put this in front of your url: http://anon.free.anonymizer.com/http://www. (url here) http://www.linux-mandrake.com/lothar it runs on all linux distro`s PGP Public Key Fingerprint: 60ED B3C7 274A D1F7 DFBD 27E3 BD9C CF54 -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/