That's exactly the way I think about it too. I am a Novell Certified NetWare Engineer. Have been for years, and did a couple of GroupWise-courses along with it, as well as BorderManager (a would be firewall-kinda thingy), Cheyenne ARCServe, and some more of the sh*tty things Novell has been producing. I know ALL of the troubles with groupWise. I've been Head Systems Admin for 4,5 years now, I *JUST* left my job (I'm in the middle of my 7 days leave, as of 1 feb I'm outta there!) and I've been struggling with GroupWise for that long. Novell is a wonderful fileserver. The fastest, the best. But *PLEASE*, let someone tell they don't know how to make mailservers, firewalls or webservers! Really. When they brought NetWare 3 in the market, it was all working fine. But with the NetWare 5 with it's native IP, they think they've acomplished quite a bit. "We can finally run a descent webserver on NetWare now!" they said. Yeah. Netscape's FastTrack server. And we all know what that means! *CRASH* So.. About your little GroupWise problem. I'd say that if you reeeeally want to run GroupWise on your Linux-box: go ahead: if it (finally) works, it keeps on working (that's Novell), but if you can't make it work rightaway, stop your efforts and keep on working with POP3 and Pine. (Taken that your sysadm installed the GroupWise Internet Agent). Another thing Novell didn't understand. The "Internet Agent'.... That is (sorry btw, I'm carrying off, but I've worked with them for 4,5 years) the most pathetic piece of software I've *EVER* seen! You know what you can do? Imagine you - the sysadmin - puts up basic relay control. You disallow relaying from certain addresses. What the GWIA does, is to accept the E-Mails (ALL of them), and THEN it decides if that WAS allowed or not, and sends two E-Mails back to the sender and postmaster to tell them! DUHH!! Spammers obviously use fake addresses, so the E-Mails keep bouncing, causing lots of traffic and the postmaster is soon to be overworked... I've sent a one-gigabyte-email FROM a fake-, TO a fake address (we used an ISDN dialup!). The mailserver accepted it. Took three full days to transfer it.. I didn't believe it! And there's absolutely nothing you can do to prevent it! Spammers keep thinging (as well as ORBS) your mailserver allows relaying. So they keep on going and going. A real pain in the *ss, because more spammers come, as they tell eachother your mailserver relays. (relaying is allowed by default btw)... Okay, enough about this stupid program, let's get on with the important business: Linux! A dream came true! Greetings, Rogier Maas (freed by Linux) Steve Pauly wrote:
start of 2 cent rant:
I run a client at work on win95. It constantly stalls the box, crashes by saying 'can't contact postoffice,' takes a long time to come up, chokes on more than 1100 or so sent emails, and other things.
Granted, a lot of these things maybe particular to our site, but still, it stinks.
GW can arrange meetings, manage documents, planning, and a million other things, but I WANT MY PINE!
I find it funny that my little AMD k2 266 box with 64MB ram and pine offers more satisfaction than my PII 400mhz 64MB ram with GW at work!
Complaints about it are dismissed as "lags? crashes? reboots? that's the way it has always been. Live with it!"
end of 2 cents.
steve.
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2000, Rogier Maas wrote:
Hi,
That depends on how the sysadmins configured the POA's (Post Office Agents). Your GroupWise client has three ways to connect to them. Open the databases itself (not a wise idea), or contacting the POA either by IPX or IP. In the case of IPX I can tell you that it won't work too well. You'll have to configure IPX on your compu. In the case of IP communications, I advise you to run vmware instead of wine. GroupWise must have the Windows Messageing System in order to work well, especially with the address books. It won't work with wine.
I've installed vmware, made a 200MB virtual disk (a file), installed win95 and GroupWise. It worked right away. Make sure you install the 'Inbox', because GroupWise needs it for the address books.
If your sysadmins haven't configured IP, you'll have to configure IPX in Windows AND Linux, because it ports communications. Not an easy task, but I'm sure it's possible.
Good luck!
Rogier Maas
Francesco wrote:
Does any one know if Novells groupwise will run under wine. As of yesterday my whole area have started to move over to it and I don't want to have to go back to win.? Any suggestions.
TIA
Francesco
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