Team, Jon and I had this discussion today over at #opensuse-wiki talking about AI #3. We THINK that we fund s solution for 1,2,3,4 and maybe issue 5. Please read the attached log of the conversation and provide your opinion. Jon already posted a subset of the discussion and I now post the whole thing again along with that intro so everyone knows what's the purpose. (15:40:30) rhorstkoetter: 1. new article =draft -> thread at forums.o.o (15:40:42) Jonathan_R: i'm not good enough at php to write it though (15:41:08) rhorstkoetter: 2. edit to existing article = new draft -> re-open thread at forums.o.o (15:41:29) rhorstkoetter: 3. this should be restricted to main namespace (enduser-interesting docu) (15:42:12) rhorstkoetter: 4. the forums thread must point to the draft url when first OR subsequent (re-opened thread) draft appears (15:42:44) Jonathan_R: well, we know we can do point 4 (15:43:21) Jonathan_R: it seems its points 2 and 3 that we need to figure out (15:43:31) rhorstkoetter: 5. last but not least: the respective draft page should have a wiki template "automagically" placed on top once the thread is created at forums.o.o pointing to the respective thread (15:43:34) rhorstkoetter: that's it (15:43:49) rhorstkoetter: I just tried to recapitulize (15:44:00) Jonathan_R: yeah (15:44:06) rhorstkoetter: that's our task and we lack a solution so far (15:44:16) Jonathan_R: you don't use a forum often do you (15:44:26) rhorstkoetter: any input on solving 1,2,3,4 OR 5 or all is much apprecaited (15:44:36) rhorstkoetter: Jonathan_R: I do (15:44:42) Jonathan_R: hmm (15:44:47) rhorstkoetter: I just post to the private area though (15:44:56) Jonathan_R: we could pin templates at the top (15:45:02) Jonathan_R: like a sticky (15:45:11) Jonathan_R: but it would be a seperate thread (15:45:11) rhorstkoetter: my postcount is at ~450 with 3-5 posts to the public forums (15:46:02) rhorstkoetter: sorry, I don't get it (15:46:34) Jonathan_R: as kim mentioned, when an edit occurs, it would re-open the thread, and be seen as another post in that thread (15:46:47) rhorstkoetter: #5 means the draft page should have a wiki-template "discussion thread at forums.o.o/wiki/..." in order to crosslink the discussion thread .. that's what I meant (15:47:07) rhorstkoetter: Jonathan_R: that's intended that way and awesome (15:47:19) Jonathan_R: what your talking about if reformatting the post (15:47:22) rhorstkoetter: is that that difficult to understand actually? (15:47:23) rhorstkoetter: lol (15:47:37) Jonathan_R: no, its done automatically (15:47:43) rhorstkoetter: let's assume we have NO article at first ok? (15:47:55) Jonathan_R: the only part that would be difficult is the templates (15:48:05) Jonathan_R: where you want that inline or something (15:48:15) rhorstkoetter: now YOU enter the wiki, create a new article (draft) and forum thread gets created (15:48:19) Jonathan_R: that would involve reformatting a post (15:48:35) rhorstkoetter: it's not about the forums post argghh (15:48:36) Jonathan_R: which would involve rewritting the forum software (15:48:52) rhorstkoetter: the wiki-template should be on top of the wiki article draft (15:48:59) Jonathan_R: right rhorstkoetter i get that (15:49:11) rhorstkoetter: as long as it's in draft situation it should point to the discussion thread (15:49:22) Jonathan_R: say for example wiki.opensuse.org/sbd (15:49:33) Jonathan_R: point the forum to that rss feed (15:50:04) Jonathan_R: now any creations/additions/changes to any articles would be created in the forums.opensuse.org (15:50:17) rhorstkoetter: yes (15:50:43) Jonathan_R: so now you'd have a thread on the article (15:50:57) Jonathan_R: people could then comment on it (15:51:08) rhorstkoetter: yeah, a new one for first edit and re-opened for subsequent ones (15:51:15) rhorstkoetter: yeah (15:51:38) Jonathan_R: if another change to an article occurs, then the forumsadmin would add another post in the existing thread if one exists (15:51:53) rhorstkoetter: yes (15:52:12) rhorstkoetter: wait at this point (15:52:18) Jonathan_R: k (15:52:43) rhorstkoetter: first edit would be en.o.o/nvidia/rev1 (15:53:02) rhorstkoetter: second edit (new draft) would be en.o.o/nvidia/rev2 (15:53:51) rhorstkoetter: thus if forumsadmin adds a new post to existing thread the url pointing to the respective rev of flaggedrevs (not sure about the url schema) would be updated (15:54:13) rhorstkoetter: forumsadmin posts an abstract with a link to the full version (15:54:20) rhorstkoetter: still on the same page? (15:54:23) Jonathan_R: right (15:54:26) Jonathan_R: yes (15:54:29) rhorstkoetter: OK (15:55:05) rhorstkoetter: last problem: how to advertise the location of the forums thread in the wiki draft (on top of it) while in draft state? (15:55:36) Jonathan_R: that, i dont know\ (15:55:42) rhorstkoetter: there I'd like to have a wiki-template "to discuss this draft, clickhere" and the reader ends up at the right place at forums.o.o (15:55:54) Jonathan_R: hmm (15:56:04) rhorstkoetter: if we manage to acheive all that .. we'll do awesome (15:56:06) Jonathan_R: the discuss tab could be linked to the forum (15:56:21) rhorstkoetter: that'd be cool yes (15:56:32) Spyhawk: Is it possible to achieve that automatically ? (15:56:33) Jonathan_R: there should be a way to do that (15:56:37) rhorstkoetter: that's possible with mediawiki? (15:56:46) Jonathan_R: i dont see why not (15:56:48) Jonathan_R: its php (15:56:59) rhorstkoetter: link the discussion tab of the respective article draft to the right thread/post at forums.o.o (15:57:03) rhorstkoetter: awesome (15:57:17) Jonathan_R: thread, not sure (15:57:22) Jonathan_R: forum, yes (15:57:29) rhorstkoetter: may you please present that solution (you're the technical chiefmaster) at the ml thread (15:57:48) rhorstkoetter: leaving #5 open for now (15:57:49) Jonathan_R: me, technical chiefmaster? (15:57:53) ***Jonathan_R blushes (15:58:12) rhorstkoetter: Jonathan_R: if you compare you and me .. you're technical chiefmaster actually (15:58:24) Jonathan_R: lol (15:58:28) rhorstkoetter: no honestly .. please do this if feasible for you (15:58:36) Jonathan_R: can i just copy and paste this convo (15:58:54) rhorstkoetter: just a summary of the solution we worked out here with everyone initially addressed by me in CC (15:59:05) rhorstkoetter: OK (15:59:22) rhorstkoetter: thanks for taking care (15:59:55) rhorstkoetter: for me that sounds perfectly sufficient as #5 = the wiki templates anyway is just a gimmick at best (16:00:42) rhorstkoetter: solving 1-4 and marking 5 as desirable and we're already doing awesome .. then explaining this process at the Guidelines (hint: Spyhawk) and we have it (16:00:47) rhorstkoetter: AI3 solved ;) Thanks, R -- Rupert Horstkötter, open-slx gmbh openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter@opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter@googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org