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[opensuse-wiki] wiki.o.o test of new functions
by Rajko M. 08 Feb '10

08 Feb '10

We imported pretty large body of articles from old wiki that will allow us to test wiki. Further imports will be done only if we really need article or group. What is left to upload are images that are missing so that we can really test complete page layout. Right now we have bug that prevents creation of thumbnails so we have time to upload images. The number of new features is quite large comparing to old wiki version 1.5, so we will have quite a job to test them. You can see list of features here: http://wiki.opensuse.org/Special:Version **************** First to test was CategoryTree http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree It enables editors to create list of categories and articles in categories that are available on every page on the wiki. This will allow us to have groups of articles with common navigation menu that is updated as soon as article is added to common category. Unlike current method of creating navbar (navigation bar) templates for each group of articles and updating that navbar every time new article is added, with <categorytree> tag all that wiki maintainers have to do is to ensure that new articles have proper [[Category:<nameit>]] link included at the end of article. I started to create categories from YaST related articles, then used ready to go tag from mediwiki.org to test the wiki tag <categorytree>. Some samples for preview are here: http://wiki.opensuse.org/YaST http://wiki.opensuse.org/Category:YaST and live wiki that is using that tag is here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree The "plus" widget that you can see in the mediwiki.org CategoryTree is missing in our wiki, which makes use of mode=pages problematic in: <categorytree mode=pages style="float:right; clear:right; margin-left:1ex; border:1px solid gray; padding:0.7ex; background- color:white;">YaST</categorytree> You can see on the page http://wiki.opensuse.org/YaST that there is no distinction between listed category and article in that category. **************** The next in the list is Flagged Revisions. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs It is extension with a lot of options. I checked the basics. The editor/reviewer tools at the bottom of the page appear in Main and Template namespace. We are missing icons (images) for tag that is present on every page, before words/strings Unreviewed or Current revision, as well as bars in detailed view that can see user that is not logged in a wiki. The "plus" widget that is used to switch from detailed view of article status to simple is missing too. **************** The rest of extensions is not tested on a new wiki, but we know that: InputBox http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:InputBox works in a simple example on http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:SDB that is the same version. There is more options in InputBox to test and see where this extension can be useful. **************** Next extension to test is DynamicPageList which is described on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Intersection From description, it can be useful to create list of articles that belong to few categories without need to create new category and add tags to all articles. **************** Conclusion: Sorting articles in categories and subcategories is very important in order to use new tools. It shifts majority of efforts on one time categorization of existing fond in the old wiki, and then export to new one category by category. New software allows us to name category and it will automatically create list of articles that are listed there, so it will be easier track transfer. The files (images etc) is right now the most labor intensive. We have to see is it possible to categorize them and transfer as category, if not them we have to run quite a few downloads from old wiki and uploads to the new one. -- Regards Rajko, openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Namespaces for the wiki.o.o
by Frank Sundermeyer 10 Jan '10

10 Jan '10

Hi, sorry for creating another thread on this topic, but I think this is something that we should finally solve, so creating a new thread seemed the best option to me. To me it seems there is a lot of confusion about the purpose of namespaces, so let me first try to shine a little light on this (please read!): ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Purpose of namespaces: --------------------- Namespaces allow to _separate_ between content for the _editing community_ (like howtos on writing articles, guidelines, etc) and _readers_ "Namespaces allow, among other things, a separation of content from policy and discussion. They encourage separation of the pages of a wiki into a core set intended for public viewing, and private information intended for the editing community." [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace] How are pages outside the main namespace handled? ---------------------------------------------------- Basically pages not from the main namespace are handled just as any other page, the only difference that is visible firsthand is the name prefix <NAMESPACE>:<PAGE TITLE>. However, there are two other main differences: * a regular search will _not_ find any pages outside of the main namespace, because the default search is limited to the main namespace * Special:AllPages by default only displays pages from the main namespace. You can select other namespaces to display, but only one at a time. Displaying pages from all namespaces is not possible Which namespaces exist by default? ---------------------------------- see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace#List_of_namespaces IMPORTANT NOTE: Because MediaWiki relies on the presence of system namespaces (the ones listed above) throughout the code, these cannot be deleted. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Namespace_manager#Deleting_namespac… ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now my 2 cents: * Having read the above, it IMHO should be clear that it does not make sense, to divide the content into different namespaces such as developer, news, etc. Nor does it make sense to use the existing SDB namespace in teh future. * Since the default namespaces cannot be deleted we should utilize them before introducing new namespaces - e.g. "Help" for editing instructions, describing extensions, or openSUSE (aka Meta) for guidelines, etc. * We do not want people searching for an article to be pointed to a portal page rather than to the article itself. Therefore I would suggest to put them into a to be created namespace Portal * Apart from "Portal" I would not add any other namespaces, but rather delete the custom ones we now have /howtos, faqs, SDB, SDB talk -- Regards Frank Frank Sundermeyer, Technical Writer, Documentation SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.opensuse.org/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) "Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane" Dogbert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Numb3rs of our wiki
by Rajko M. 31 Dec '09

31 Dec '09

Number of articles or files: Main 4131 File 4340 Template 277 Category 272 (this is only with article - not red links) Help 12 SDB 573 openSUSE 83 ______________ Total: 9598 things to see (review) Well a fave a lot of fun next year. Happy New Year :) -- Regards Rajko, openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Style Guide / Standard Templates
by Mike Gentry 30 Dec '09

30 Dec '09

Couple of things I'm wondering whether we should standardise or not... 1) File system / filesystem. Probably irrelevant, but it might read nicer if we pick one and stick with it - and it helps with searches. 2) Linux / Gnu/Linux. Again, probably irrelevant, but has some people up in arms. 3) Folder / directory. Less irrelevant. I say always use directory, personally. Finally, should we maybe compile a list of boilerplate templates, and eventually one of the wiki team can put them somewhere appropriate near here http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Templates ? For example, I'm using; {{Warning|Editing partitions can cause permanent data loss, and should only be attempted once all important data on the entire physical disk is backed up to another physical disk}} I'm happy to see it improved, if anyone has suggestions - but I figure it makes no sense to keep rewriting these every time we make a new page on which they're relevant. Sometimes you need a custom one, definitely, but a lot of them are generic (and sorry if that's been done - I couldn't see it...) Thanks, Mike. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Minutes Mentoring session, December 27th
by Rémy Marquis 29 Dec '09

29 Dec '09

Hi Team, Here are the Meeting Minutes of our Wiki Team mentoring session on the 27th of December 2009 at 17:00 UTC. I'd like to encourage everyone interested in contributing to the actual transition to contact the wiki team on this mailing list or on #opensuse-wiki IRC channel. Also, do not hesitate to have a look at the complete transcript of the session - available here : http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Meetings/2009_27_12-transcript - as it is not possible to cover every detail of the discussion we had. The Wiki Transition has basically 2 steps : - Step 1, Articles review in en.o.o wiki - Step 2, Categorizing and moving articles in new instance wiki.o.o Step 2 can't be done yet, as many things have to be prepared (Categorization, namespace, ) or to be fixed server side after holiday. It will not start before ~end of January and we are focusing on Step 1 only for the moment. --------- For Step 1, two documents have been prepared : - http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Wiki_Guidelines (Writing style guide, standardized templates to be used) - http://en.opensuse.org/Transition_Guidelines#Step_1_:_Articles_review (step by step howto). Please read both documents to know what is the complete procedure to be followed. In short, for every wiki article, the reviewer has to do following steps : a) Select an article from a given list b) Check the content of the article c) Check the format of the article, according to the newly defined Style Guide. d) If the content or format does not follow the style rules, edit as required, or mark the article as "non transferable" e) Mark the corrected/cleaned article as checked -- Transition List Two articles lists are provided on http://en.opensuse.org/Transition_List and http://en.opensuse.org/Transition_List2. They were created in the basis of general navigation and should hopefully represent the most popular articles in the wiki. The first on includes (more or less) End-user related doc (HowTo), while the second list includes project, distribution and developers related articles. Reviewers are encouraged to work on the first list first, but it's not a strict rule. Please note that there might have some articles that are placed on the "wrong list", or duplicated links. The important things to remember here is that these lists are provided as a baseline to start work with. -- Article Template We will use a new basic template for all HowTo / end-user related article : http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Article_Template It uses what we called a "knowledge bar" ("Tested on", "Requisite articles") -- Specific version information We should avoid different versions of the same article for version-specific information (ie, 11.0, 11.1, 11.2 subpages), as this introduces more maintenance work. - Instead, we will use a specific section in the same article. - The reader can access the version section through the TOC, while "Tested on" links will be linked to the distribution version page. Please note that the "Knowledge bar" of the Article template is useful for end-user doc, but not for project/developers documentation. If you think it is useless on the article you are reviewing, do not use it :) -- Capitalization We plan to use normal capitalization for new wiki similarly to Wikipedia standard. - Section and subsection headers in all articles have to be changed. - Pages need to be moved to be renamed (capitalization of Title). - Internal wiki links have to be renamed. -- Marked articles Taggued articles (InReview, Reviewed, NoTransfer) will automatically be put in a category (ie, http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Articles_under_review). Unfortunately, it is not possible to trace in a simple manner the articles "to be reviewed". In order to track the work in progress, an asterisk (*) have to be put on the Transition List when an article is selected to be reviewed. --Communication The page http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Message_Board, the #opensuse-wiki IRC channel are to be used as an information exchange platforms to ease the work of all reviewers. Additionnaly, this -wiki mailing list can also be use for this purpose. Thank again to all of you for helping in this huge cleaning task :) Regards, R. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] openSUSE Team(s) finalization
by Shayon Mukherjee 28 Dec '09

28 Dec '09

Hello all , This mail is concerned to Andreas previous mail [1]. Its actually a great thing and a must needed task to be accomplished . And hereby i would like to present my views on this thing to be performed. The concept is completely the same as Andreas suggested ( also the fedoras join page [2] ) but a different way of showcasing and performing the task :) . After having a small discussion with Henne and Remy over the IRC the following things were thought of ( a bit implemented also ) . AFAIK Remy has some different plans or ideas and would like to have it here ;) . So , IMO lets say we have a openSUSE:Teams page [3] , where we would have the links to the existing Team(s) page in the wiki , with a short message and a contact link(nothing more needed).So as not to make the page noisy with all the teams entire description and other details in one , like the Fedora join page( they actually have only few items and perform things in that manner).Then the teams Mission Statement , more contact info ( if needed) , Tasks undertaken and other details to be provided in the Teams page itself .By this way the new comer or visitor may find its interesting field and then approach accordingly. Simple and effective :)This may not be 100% correct , so any opinions , comments are most welcome. [1] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-wiki/2009-12/msg00070.html [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join [3] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Teams -- Regards, Shayon Mukherjee openSUSE Wiki Team http://en.opensuse.org/User:Wwarlock Email: hkwarlock(a)gmail.com Twitter: ShayonM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Mentoring session - December 27th, 17h00 UTC
by Rémy Marquis 25 Dec '09

25 Dec '09

Dear Wiki Team & Forum Squad volunteers, The mentoring session meeting will take place on Sunday, the 27th of December 2009 at 17.00 UTC. The meeting time in all time zones is listed on the Fixed Time World Clock[1]. General explanation about the Articles Transition in the new wiki instance will be discussed. Please attend if possible in order to be fully aware of the transition procedure and the QA to be followed. I'd like to invite you to review the actual Wiki Guidelines draft [2] and to suggest improvement (this week or on Sunday). The Agenda will be announced as soon as possible. Regards, R. [1] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=27&month=12&year=2… [2] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Wiki_Guidelines -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Category structure
by Mike Gentry 23 Dec '09

23 Dec '09

Jon pointed this page out on the forum; http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Wiki_structure One thing I don't fully understand; we are trying to avoid page names like YaST/Tutorials/Simple YaST Module/Using the Access to the Configuration Data, (and so we should! Cripes!), and using categories as part of the strategy to get there. This, and things like the tree view function do look like they'll help a lot. So we have a Category:YaST, and a subcategory Category:YaST_modules (made a subcategory simply by putting a link to Category:YaST at the end of the page, if I'm following...) My instinct would be to make Category:YaST_modules a subpage of Category:YaST, as well as a subcategory. This may be exactly what you were referring to when you spoke of people carrying the filesystem hierarchy mentality into the wiki with them - but to me it seems logical, and perhaps makes navigating fractionally easier - you can, for example, tell your browser to go 'up' to parent, and it'll take you to the more general category. It would presumably also put a hierarchy of links at the top of the page, something like opensuse.org/ Category:[Category]/Category:[subcategory]/:Category:[subsubcategory], which you can use to navigate around in - and it might make macros to search or list child pages, for example, available to us. Now I suppose that page name is pretty ugly, but then most people aren't going to spend much time looking at the categories, but the pages. Surely the purpose of the categories is precisely to abstract this structural information out of the pages, and present it clearly; making the category pages highly structured would not necessarily entail making the actual pages follow that structure too. Presumably there aren't going to be all that many levels of nested categories, so I think the problem might be manageable - if there are, that may be an indication that the categories haven't been thought out properly. I see that wikipedia also does it the way you're proposing, and presumably they've thought about it longer than any of us could... I'm just wondering what the reasoning is, and have possibly misunderstood everything completely... ;) Thanks, Mike. (you maybe start to understand why I called myself confuseling, and have a bowl of petunias for an avatar...) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-wiki] Following the Transition Guidelines
by Rupert Horstkötter 22 Dec '09

22 Dec '09

Team, Just as a follow-up/reminder .. I'd like to remind everyone to follow the Transition Guidelines [1] strictly (especially in regard of the Article transtion into the new instance). Otherwise we'll most likely end up in a new mess and I doubt we'd value that. I see that YaST pages have been transferred to the new instance to test the tools and that is great and appreciated .. please keep in mind though that this isn't reviewed content and is just there to test the tools. I experienced some confusion over at #opensuse-wiki today and thus I outline this here once again .. the Transtion Guidelines are mission-critical to our success. On Sunday, we'll do a mentoring session to introduce all volunteers to the processes we defined. Thanks for listening, R [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Transition_Guidelines -- Rupert Horstkötter, open-slx gmbh openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter(a)opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter(a)googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-wiki] Forum squad introductions.
by Gertjan Lettink 21 Dec '09

21 Dec '09

Hi all, I've been participating quite actively in the opensuse forums. Will spend time during X-mess holidays to see if I can be more precise about what I could do. Gertjan AKA "Knurpht" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help(a)opensuse.org

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