Yah, Markus Gaugusch wrote:
Suse is generally a good choice for the desktop. As well for servers. Even if SuSE received a lot of criticism for 8.0 with [...] Security has its price, and a clean and consistent system is one of the
There is a very clear answer for this: It is the clean way. Servers that are supposed to run stable, should be set up in a clean way. The more often you leave the path of the package system, you are on the way to trouble. It's in the same category as "Backup" and "Documentation": Some people may live without these things for years without a single problem. But in fact it is dangerous, and lot of hard work is wasted, if something goes wrong. things you should pay for.
Markus
Agreed. To a point, that is.
...that's why I build most of my systems from scratch, without any
package installer or anything. SuSE IMO has LEFT the path of a decent
server Linux distro, at least with 8.0. Ask around for ppl who updated
some of their (partly manually modified) 7.x systems to 8.0, ppl like me
who NEED to manually adjust some knobs... and don't get me started on
the ominous Standard/Proffessional SuSE versions... that angers me to no
end.
8.0 is a pure waste of my admin time. Sorry to be so rude/hard, but it's
my experience so far.
And please ppl, don't come running and tell me something about economic
installation with servers and RPM. Package installers are for sissies!
:-) ;-)
I want a MONOLITHIC, dedicated server for our customers. I DON'T want a
multi-purpose thing which transfers mails, runs a web server, protects
the network, diapers my children, makes some tea and feeds the goldfish.
Security is a way of thinking, not a product you can install and run,
and if ppl don't want to dive down into their Linux servers, enter the
"engine room" and tap into the oily mechanics of a running system, they
will NEVER EVER get their shit secure. Simple as that.
I basically appreciate SuSE's efforts, no doubt about that. I know what
it means to do all that package compilations, updates and whatnot, but,
well, I think the times they are a-changin; It's DESKTOP time, and that
seems to be it for me.
To FreeBSD we go... ;)
Sorry for my rant...
Boris Lorenz