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RE: [suse-security] European Council hacking-tools ban - update
  • From: "Wade Chandler" <wade.chandler@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 05:52:43 -0800
  • Message-id: <NEBBIGMAGLJNAJKIFKFPEEPECAAA.wade.chandler@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Please note:

1. The discussion about gun's states: "...In the US......." if your
country or anybody else's does not begin with "US" then it shouldn't matter

2. It was only placed there for relevancy. Take away guns from everyone
in the US by law only the unlawful(criminals) will have them not people who
would use them in a good manner; people who could otherwise defend
themselves against criminals. Take away crack and hack tools away from (Me:
Programmer ;Somebody else: Sys Admin) by law and again only the unlawful
will have them not people who would use them in a good manner; people who
would otherwise be able to defend themselves with heightened knowledge of
the arsenal opposing them and their own security.

3. I will not speak of guns here anymore...though you should refer to
number one, and I thought criminals had guns everywhere not just the us,
thought the latter is not what I was inferring in my last email.

Please send me your email if you would like to help out. I would appreciate


Wade Chandler

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Michael Wanka [mailto:tm_wanka@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 8:29 PM
To: suse-security@xxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [suse-security] European Council hacking-tools ban - update


first of all, please keep the gun discussion out here, because allthough it
be security relevant for some it defenitely is depending upon structures
are basically different for many nations.

I do not care too much about the "hacker tools directive" as it will be hard
define that at court. A "hacker tool" is nothing much but a sequence
utilities and the use makes it a hacker tool, so it must be prooven that I
tried to
"hack" someone for it to become a hacker tool (like a citchen knive that is
a weapon when I use it a s a weapon).

I am more worried about the access to log files I had to provide, and a
mechanism that I cannot realise that someone accesses these files. And that
had to provide (and pay for) the bandwidth to access them. That basically
implies, that I had no longer control about my traffic and may not even
it and in the end, I was not allowed to have access to my logfiles myself!

I do not think that collecting voices against that will do any good. To me
will have some kind of such regulation and the only chance to overcome it
to *not* obey to such regulations.

However I will participate in any petition against such regulation.


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