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Re: [suse-security] autorpm and latest secure files
  • From: Monte Milanuk <milanuk@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:39:05 -0600
  • Message-id: <39962669.FEEF3463@xxxxxxxxx>
Perhaps something like this is what you're thinking of?

I saw this the other week on RootPrompt, and thought it was pretty
neat. I'd like to get there one day. Which will be one day _after_ I
figure out how to get everything running the way I want it in the first
place. By then, I may be too scared to tear up my hard work and start
from scratch to do a complete overhaul to a system like that. But
hopefully by then, LinuxNOW will be functional, w/ a SuSE version ;)


Gerhard Sittig wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 14:17 -0600, Kurt Seifried wrote:
> >
> > > And don't believe in "automated security". I feel quite strong
> > > about that automatic updates won't work without heavy human
> > > supervision. :) Having your system (potentially) damaged by a
> > > simple minded program sucking in every update unchecked just
> > > because "the file was there and I felt like applying it" is not
> > > fun. When something breaks, *I* want to be the reason why. :>
> >
> > Security has to be automated as much as possible. What happens when
> > companies roll out 5000 linux desktops?
> I guess I put it into the wrong words ...
> I meant that I don't believe in automatic upgrading from an
> external source. I want to be the instance making the decision
> about how and most of all _when_ to break a system (or to risk
> breaking it) by updating.
> Admittedly I've never been in the above position to handle a few
> thousands of installations. Neither did I get close to this in
> any way. :) But I could imagine grouping these machines and
> applying the updates in steps to see how they react. In a
> perfect world the updates only remove some remedies and plainly
> work. In the real world these updates have side effects and you
> don't want to break *all* machines at _once._ There have been
> - and always will be - updates which just don't work (quick
> response in an attempt to help before the "real" fix is found and
> tested) and updates which change some behaviour other software
> has to be obeying too.
> To put it short: At the very least I would like to to have a
> filter _which_ updates (of all the availables) get applied and
> _when_ I want to risk updating my machines. This involves a test
> beforehand on isolated machines to recognize when a fix for one
> thing breaks other things or doesn't fix something. I don't
> believe in a distributor to autodeliver updates to me, I still
> see this as a service and an offer and I'm still the one to
> accept or delay or reject.
> Of course(?) once I want to apply an update, I'm still free to do
> so automatically inside my reach, from a source *I* define and
> for a set of machines I declare (and these could be all machines,
> as well). We agree that physically stepping up in front of more
> than ten machines is something no admin would like to do and even
> doing so via network will raise the feeling "there should be a
> different way without me sitting here and waiting for the
> computer(s) to finish". :) And I'm aware that delayed
> application of available fixes to known problems leave a window
> of possible vulnerability. But I don't want to be forced to
> accept fixes' downsides just because a fix is published.
> Maybe we're talking about different granularity and release
> schemes here? Maybe you put more trust into the fix' publisher
> than I do? But surely I speak as someone who never had to handle
> more than some twenty machines at once.
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The Law of Unintended Consequences:

Whether or not what you do has the effet you want, it will have three
at least you never expected, and one of those usually unpleasant.

Siuan Sanche, Aes Sedai

From 'The Path of Daggers', Book Eight of the Wheel of Time Series by
Robert Jordan.

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