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Re: [opensuse-releaseteam] "Du" or "Sie", that is the question


Am 19.11.19 um 02:13 schrieb Simon Lees:


On 11/17/19 6:48 AM, Sarah Julia Kriesch wrote:
Hi Dominique and Ludwig,

the German Translation Team has crazy ideas I have to forward.
We have a discussion on our mailing list[0] because of using "Sie" and
not "Du" for speaking with our users. Our suggestion is to switch to
"Du" in the openSUSE-welcome application and to conduct UX tests in the
German community. openSUSE-welcome is only on openSUSE Tumbleweed at the
moment and contains a small po file. Therefore, that is an excellent
application to test how our German users are accepting this salutation.

The "Du" is expanding in Germany at the moment. I receive this offer at
most conferences. Microsoft and Amazon are using that in their German
translation, too. Should we give it a try?

My plan would be:
1) Christian Imhorst is allowed to change all from "Sie" to "Du" in the
opensuse-welcome.po, because he had the idea.
2) I create a poll and ask our community on different mailing lists
after their opinion.
3) If they want to keep that and want to have all in this kind of
translation we can think about changing all. If they want to have "Sie"
we can execute "git reset --hard e4e5a93b8f4e07099e12f289b9c8317622db21c7"

If we follow after other German software translations, we have to pay
attention to other affected Linux distributions:
1) SLES/SLED
2) Debian, because they are using some of our translations (some
openSUSE Members are Debian Contributors because of that ;))
3) Translations for different Desktops have to be changed and "all"
Desktop Linux distributions are affected.

This would involve significant work with a lot of upstreams, given that
for desktops like enlightenment all of the translations come from
upstream which is the same for alot of packages.


That is the reason for doing that slowly (one step after the next one).
At first openSUSE-welcome and watching how that would be accepted. The
next step would be all other translation files and the integration of
SLES/SLED to our tests (here the same with different steps).

We can benefit from a sustainable German translation in openSUSE. That
is the small using of "Sie". We are transforming to "Bitte das machen."
instead of "Bitte machen Sie das.". Therefore, we don't have to change a
lot in our own translations. The German translation team is open for
such a change and you can use the Weblate search or grep/vim search for
finding these positions.

I know the amount of work behind that. But our German translations are
around 100% most of the time and if our translation team wants to do it
I would say "Let's try with a small po file as openSUSE-welcome.".

Best regards,
Sarah

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