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Re: [opensuse-project] 2019-04-02 board meeting minutes

On 19/04/2019 20:09, Klaas Freitag wrote:
Am 19.04.19 um 09:21 schrieb Simon Lees:

The board is still in the early stages of discussing such a change, at
the moment we are still looking at various options, during the board
face 2 face the week before oSC we plan to come up with one or several
or no concrete proposals that we will present at oSC to start discussing
more broadly with the community.

Ok. As we did in the past. All the discussions lacked one thing for me:
The vision what openSUSE will do, what it will head for, how it will
stay relevant if it loosens the relationship with SUSE. And how that
will be beneficial to the project and whole community.

In some ways it may also strengthen our relationship by better defining who is responsible for what and where,

As long as that can not be nailed down by somebody and being presented
clearly and documented, my feeling is that discussions about the "how"
to set up a foundation are pointless. Been there, done that, /me being a
mummy of openSUSE.

What else could that be than "fundamental things" that would drive us
away? If Mom is doing the laundry and serving lunch on Sundays, why
would you ever move out? Not for practical reasons, right?

On the other hand given EQT's business model it is almost certain that
at some point in the future SUSE will be sold again or publicly listed,
and given the current good working relationship between SUSE and
openSUSE it is likely easier to have such discussions now vs in the
future should someone buy SUSE and install new management that doesn't
value openSUSE in the same way the current management does.

Maybe. No change to the past: SUSE was most of the time in the situation
of being a good candidate for being sold. But yes, having discussions is
good, but I would put the tune carefully. Why not have discussions
about real commitments what SUSE does for openSUSE, and have that
documented and put in public? Being a more important and officially
tighter coupled part of SUSE would put openSUSE in a better position
when SUSE again changes the owner in the future, no?

These things are somewhat being discussed at the same time.

There would be topics enough to discuss I think, and to try to get real
commitments from SUSE. A few examples:

a) Commitment to keep openSUSE as base distro for SUSE's enterprise
products. How would openSUSE look like if SUSE suddenly jumps on a deb
based distro to ship interesting enterprise applications? What would
currently hinder SUSE to do that?
Legacy heaps of legacy, SUSE's enterprise customers do not want to be forced to make more changes then they need, swapping the underlying distro would probably cause most customers to consider other alternative distro's, I really don't see this ever happening.

b) Lots of infrastructure topics
c) Investments of workforce into the build service for example.

SUSE is still the main contributor to build service code and I don't see that changing, SUSE has also given a commitment that they will continue to provide openSUSE with all the core infrastructure they need for shipping releases and have reaffirmed this position to the board in recent weeks.

We are obviously still working through this and a number of other issues
but once we have all the info we need we will present it to the
community in a clear way, we are not at that point yet.

When you say "we" here, you mean the board, right? Feels strange to me
that this kind of important topic is worked through by the board and
later be presented to the community. But maybe that is only me.

The we here is the board, and we as the board feel like we should at least put together a decent starting point for discussion, we are in a better position to come up with for an example a list of things that we think are feesable and unfeasable to help frame the discussion,


Simon Lees (Simotek)

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