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Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE 13.1 - Preparation for Evergreen
Hi,

Am 14.12.2015 um 11:53 schrieb Michal Kubecek:
On Monday 14 of December 2015 11:01:08 Bruno Friedmann wrote:
The fact that Leap is here, change the game a bit. Hopefully.

It definitely does. However, I'm not really sure if it means there will
be no need for Evergreen (or evergreen-like project) anymore. Actually,
I'm much less convinced about that than I was when Leap was first
announced. There are two reasons:

1. Looking at Leap 42.1, I'm afraid we gave up a bit too much to the
temptation to throw newest possible versions of some packages. In
particular, while I understand the reasons for kernel 4.1 and Plasma 5,
the former is the reason why I would rather wait with installing it on
my servers and the latter a reason why I'm not going to install it on
important desktops anytime soon.

Plasma 5 is indeed a major thing. Thankfully I do not need it on the server.

2. While in theory, "Leap 42" is going to be supported for quite long,
in reality, there may be significant leaps between the point releases.
For someone reluctant to upgrade a live production machine, say, from
42.1 to 42.2 without testing everything thoroughly, this would actually
mean lifetime shorter than it used to be in the pre-Leap era. IMHO it's
too early to say how much of a concern this is going to be; I believe we
will be wiser once we see how 42.2 would turn out (if we are able to
stay as conservative as LTS release deserves).

The actual details of the non-leap jumps aka minor version upgrades will
be interesting and only time will tell (and hopefully my contribution)
how it'll look like exactly.

So I believe it's too early for claims that with Leap, there is no more
need for Evergreen or evergreen-like project.

Yes, it's too early. And this also means that people wanting an answer
right now are unlucky IMHO.


Wolfgang
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