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Re: [opensuse-project] Re: Introducing the Freight Train
  • From: Jos Poortvliet <jos@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 00:23:27 +0200
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On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Jim Henderson <hendersj@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 08:20:01 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:

and if those people in the openSUSE community are just clueless noobs
and death-by-bikeshedding trolls, right? (Yes, I'm being ironic.)

Unfortunately we have plenty of bikeshedding even on technical issues,
see the systemd discussion from last year, and I think we just have to
be more aggressive in trying to suppress it.

Yes, we do want more communication, but we only want the _right_ kind of

It's important, though, that the "right kind" not just be defined as
"everyone who agrees with me" or even "everyone who agrees with the

Yup, disagreement is more than fun - it is useful ;-)

As a community, we say that we value diversity.  For that to be true, we
have to not be seen to (or appear to - for the average viewer) reject
ideas based on who they come from or if they're unpopular - or even if
they're poorly expressed.

It's important to weigh ideas based on their merits.

And willingness of the person who brought them forward to implement
them. I'd pick a crappy solution to a problem with someone to
implement it over a perfect solution with nobody able to work on it
anytime ;-)

Of course, all properly presented* opinions have value. But many of
the probably belong in bugzilla or openfate. They even have a +1
system :D

While input from users is valuable (and there is a number of VERY
knowledgeable non-developers lurking on this list giving VERY valuable
feedback from time to time), too much heavily distracts from the work
to be done. Some developers have unsubscribed from our core
development list(s) for this reason and frankly I care far more about
getting them back than getting a bit less input from users.

But this goes back to our earlier discussion - how do we balance our
core lists when it comes to amount of traffic, feedback we get,
checkups on the 'real-ness of issues', quality, moderation etcetera.
Something to discuss at oSC (October, Praha, more info coming soon).

 Jim Henderson
 Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits

respectfully-brought, relevant, reasonable, on-topic, non-repetitive
etc. And indeed, it doesn't matter who they're from and how well
he/she expresses himself. We all sucked at English at some time in the
past, even if that requires going back almost our entire lifetime (as
is the case for native speakers). 8-)
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